I almost forgot to mention it: a BIG 'Thank You!' to zefrench for his support (and for finding out about the webcam option), I owe him.

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Wow now THAT is a helpful post! Thanks

Hi dhecker,

I can understand how frustrated you must be, but I wanted to make a quick comment.

Please don't punish a prospective employee due to them having CCP/ICCP on their resume. (maybe you were being sarcastic, I don't know)

Here's why; if they had as much trouble as you did, and they continued through it and got the CCP, it could tell you something about their character, drive, determination, and/or their ability to finish something they start. Remember they don't have anything to do with the company other than they passed some exams that aren't exactly easy to begin with. Then when you add the fact that training materials aren't easily available in a single location, and whatever trouble they may have incurred from a lack of customer service, it may show something that can be looked at as a positive.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to be "preachy", hope it didn't come across that way.

On another note, have you taken the exam yet? How did you make out?

I don't 'punish' them for having it, it just makes me wonder why they did it. It doesn't seem like a cert that's useful for the kinds of employees I seek. I see it as something that takes a while and requires effort but doesn't mean much to me, so I think of it as a kind of 'reverse' value - the person spent time on this for no apparent reason.

I will leave it off of my resume. It's just how I feel after spending 10 years looking at resumes. For different kinds of workers, it could be much more useful but in a hardcore delivery-oriented professional services environment, not useful.

Well, something like that!

I haven't taken the exam yet, but I will in a couple of weeks.

According to Wikipedia:
An implementation of Forth by the GNU Project is actively maintained, the last release in November 2008. The 1994 standard is currently undergoing revision, provisionally titled Forth 200x.[2]

I wouldn't write Forth off yet! And no, I'm not one of the Forth cultists-- if I were to be programming on a favorite language of the past, it'd be Apple/UCSD Pascal!

If I'm looking for a vintage language programmer, I'll be sure to watch for the ICCP cert