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    Hi everyone I'm new to the forum and hoping someone can help me. I'm planning on attending TESU for a Bachelor of Art Computer Science starting June of 2018 and am not an enrolled student at this point. I have created a plan to complete my lower level courses (and most of my electives) at Straighterline. Most of my courses are listed on SL's credit equivalency page for TESU (so those won't be a problem) but some that I'd like to take (Intro to programming in C++) aren't. What I'm trying to figure out is when should I contact TESU to make sure my credits will be accepted? I don't have a transcript as I haven't taken these classes yet so I really only asking to have my course plan evaluated. Also, does anyone know if there's a fee for this?

  • #2
    As soon as you've applied and been admitted, you can email advising@tesu.edu as often as you like with questions like that. They don't cost a thing. Usually they are answered within 24h. Quick tip though: Ask only ONE question per email, and keep it SIMPLE. The more conditional statements and exceptions you pile onto your question, the less likely they are to read it completely before answering. Asking more than one question per message usually results in only the first question being answered.

    IMHO you should apply as soon as possible, then take one course or TECEP you know you're going to need as soon as possible, in order to get yourself enrolled and on a catalog. Until you are actually enrolled, nothing that anyone at advising (or on these forums) tells you about your plan is set in stone or anything with a greater consistency than jello pudding.
    TESU BSBA/GenMgmt, Graduation approved for March 2017
    CR Sources: 75cr(StraighterLine), 15cr(Saylor), 6cr(ALEKS), 6cr(Kaplan, TESU), 12cr(PF), 6cr(CLEP)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by alzee View Post
      As soon as you've applied and been admitted, you can email advising@tesu.edu as often as you like with questions like that. They don't cost a thing. Usually they are answered within 24h. Quick tip though: Ask only ONE question per email, and keep it SIMPLE. The more conditional statements and exceptions you pile onto your question, the less likely they are to read it completely before answering. Asking more than one question per message usually results in only the first question being answered.

      IMHO you should apply as soon as possible, then take one course or TECEP you know you're going to need as soon as possible, in order to get yourself enrolled and on a catalog. Until you are actually enrolled, nothing that anyone at advising (or on these forums) tells you about your plan is set in stone or anything with a greater consistency than jello pudding.

      Thanks Alzee. Sounds like good advice. I really appreciate it

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      • #4
        Also, when you ask them questions, make sure that you ask the right ones. For instance, asking "where can I take Discrete Math that's cheaper than the course you offer?" is not going to be answered! They are in the business of making money. So, you will want to ask "I'm taking a course at XYZ college, and want to make sure that it will transfer in as the equivalent of ABC course. Can you confirm that?"

        For a lot of the testing out stuff, we here can help. Especially in regards to Gen Ed's, Free Electives and many of the AOS courses, we know with certainty what will be accepted and where, due to years of experience and people reporting to us on the forum. Or TESU having an equivalency chart for different things (SL, Study.com, DSST, CLEP, ACP courses, etc.).

        So, a few of us can get you 75% of the way there, and then people who have actually gotten CS degrees here can help with the rest. I think TrailRunr is the one who knows this portion the best (that I can think of off the top of my head). There are others who know it as well.
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        WVNCC - A.A.S. - 5/2017
        TESU BSBA in HR
        (in progress) - 112cr, only 3 more classes to go...
        GGU Certificate in Management - 2000

        TECEP - Technical Writing 84% (3cr), English Comp II 79% (3cr), Applied LibArts Math 90% (3cr), Public Relations 70% (3cr), Computers 75% (3cr)
        DSST - Intro to Computers/437 (3cr), Prin of Pers Finance/458 (3cr) - 2011 CLEP - Management/69 (3cr UL), Marketing/67 (3cr UL) - 2011

        Ed4Credit - Accounting II 85% (3cr) Penn Foster - Financial Management 92% (3cr UL) ALEKS - Int Alg (3cr) - 2011, College Algebra (3cr) - 2015 Sophia - Project Management 85% (3cr UL) - 2015 Insurance Inst. of America - Ethics 72% (2cr) - 2015 Kaplan PLA (3cr) - 2015 Add'l ACE Credits (5cr UL) - 2000

        Palomar College - Organizational Theory (3cr) - 2015 Mission College (36cr) - 92-98 Golden Gate Univ (12cr UL, 3cr LL) - 98-00 San Jose State Univ (12cr UL, 9cr LL) - 88-89

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dfrecore View Post
          Also, when you ask them questions, make sure that you ask the right ones. For instance, asking "where can I take Discrete Math that's cheaper than the course you offer?" is not going to be answered! They are in the business of making money. So, you will want to ask "I'm taking a course at XYZ college, and want to make sure that it will transfer in as the equivalent of ABC course. Can you confirm that?"

          For a lot of the testing out stuff, we here can help. Especially in regards to Gen Ed's, Free Electives and many of the AOS courses, we know with certainty what will be accepted and where, due to years of experience and people reporting to us on the forum. Or TESU having an equivalency chart for different things (SL, Study.com, DSST, CLEP, ACP courses, etc.).

          So, a few of us can get you 75% of the way there, and then people who have actually gotten CS degrees here can help with the rest. I think TrailRunr is the one who knows this portion the best (that I can think of off the top of my head). There are others who know it as well.
          Thanks so much dfrecore!!

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          • #6
            I always advocate applying earlier rather than later. I would also make sure I was enrolled by the June term for a TECEP or something so that you nail down the degree requirements this year. We never know for sure what changes TESU is likely to make.
            Accepted to Georgia Tech's Online MSCS program for Fall 2016.
            TESU BA Comp Sci completed. 51 units completed in 20 months.
            TECEP:Env Ethics (2015); TESU PLA:Software Eng, Computer Arch, C++, Advanced C++, Data Struct (2015); TESU Courses:Capstone, Database Mngmnt Sys, Op Sys, Artificial Intel, Discrete Math, Intro to Portfolio Dev, Intro PLA (2014-16); DSST:Intro to Anthro, Pers Fin, Intro Astronomy (2014); CLEP:Intro to Soc (2014); Saylor.org:Intro to Computers (2014); CC: 69 units (1980-88)
            PLA Tips Thread - TESU: What is in a Portfolio?

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            • #7
              dfrecore, I'm going to use you as an example here for a point I was making about keeping questions simple; apologies in advance! This example question though is, in my experience, *way* too complicated for TESU's academic advisers:

              Originally posted by dfrecore View Post
              So, you will want to ask "I'm taking a course at XYZ college, and want to make sure that it will transfer in as the equivalent of ABC course. Can you confirm that?"
              I agree 100% that this is more likely to get an answer than the other question, but it's also too subject to "interpretation" by the advisers. It would be better asked along the lines of "How does TESU count course ABC from XYZ college?"

              You really want to keep these questions to advising as short and to the point as possible. Any information in the question that doesn't help them answer it should be eliminated.

              Just my $0.02 after having emailed advising 20-30 times in the past year, half of them being rewording of an earlier question that TESU didn't "get" the first time.
              TESU BSBA/GenMgmt, Graduation approved for March 2017
              CR Sources: 75cr(StraighterLine), 15cr(Saylor), 6cr(ALEKS), 6cr(Kaplan, TESU), 12cr(PF), 6cr(CLEP)

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              • #8
                The first thing is to know why you're choosing TESU BA CS and not some other degree like TESU BSBA:CIS, one of WGU's IT degrees which comes with a bunch of IT certs, or a even a real CS program that doesn't make use of test-out. If you have no IT job experience and close to zero credits, TESU BA CS with a bunch of MIS type test-out is not going to land you a job upon graduation. You will be poorly prepared for technical interviews, especially if you make extensive use of test-out/nontraditional options for the CS area of study. The technical interview determines whether or not you get the job. The degree just gets you past HR. My signature has a link to a degree plan for CS that makes use of test-out options, but I wouldn't go down this road unless you're already working somewhere in IT.
                TESU BA CS and Math (graduated December 2016)
                Courses/exams for both BA Computer Science and BA Mathematics: SL Calc 1, SL Calc 2, APU Linear algebra, TESU capstone
                Courses/exams for BA Computer Science: TESU Computer Architecture, DSST MIS, DSST cybersecurity, CSU-Global System Analysis, rest B&M courses from the past
                Courses/exams for BA Mathematics: TESU College Geometry, TESU Mathematical Modeling, edX differential equations (2 courses), rest B&M courses from the past

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by alzee View Post
                  dfrecore, I'm going to use you as an example here for a point I was making about keeping questions simple; apologies in advance! This example question though is, in my experience, *way* too complicated for TESU's academic advisers:



                  I agree 100% that this is more likely to get an answer than the other question, but it's also too subject to "interpretation" by the advisers. It would be better asked along the lines of "How does TESU count course ABC from XYZ college?"

                  You really want to keep these questions to advising as short and to the point as possible. Any information in the question that doesn't help them answer it should be eliminated.

                  Just my $0.02 after having emailed advising 20-30 times in the past year, half of them being rewording of an earlier question that TESU didn't "get" the first time.
                  It doesn't matter anyway. Either question will likely result in the course simply being added to your academic eval as a "planned" course with almost no comment.
                  Accepted to Georgia Tech's Online MSCS program for Fall 2016.
                  TESU BA Comp Sci completed. 51 units completed in 20 months.
                  TECEP:Env Ethics (2015); TESU PLA:Software Eng, Computer Arch, C++, Advanced C++, Data Struct (2015); TESU Courses:Capstone, Database Mngmnt Sys, Op Sys, Artificial Intel, Discrete Math, Intro to Portfolio Dev, Intro PLA (2014-16); DSST:Intro to Anthro, Pers Fin, Intro Astronomy (2014); CLEP:Intro to Soc (2014); Saylor.org:Intro to Computers (2014); CC: 69 units (1980-88)
                  PLA Tips Thread - TESU: What is in a Portfolio?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TrailRunr View Post
                    The first thing is to know why you're choosing TESU BA CS and not some other degree like TESU BSBA:CIS, one of WGU's IT degrees which comes with a bunch of IT certs, or a even a real CS program that doesn't make use of test-out. If you have no IT job experience and close to zero credits, TESU BA CS with a bunch of MIS type test-out is not going to land you a job upon graduation. You will be poorly prepared for technical interviews, especially if you make extensive use of test-out/nontraditional options for the CS area of study. The technical interview determines whether or not you get the job. The degree just gets you past HR. My signature has a link to a degree plan for CS that makes use of test-out options, but I wouldn't go down this road unless you're already working somewhere in IT.

                    Thanks TrailRunr. I'm already working in IT (recently transitioned over to Data Science) and want to get a CS degree to continue on to a Masters and possibly a Ph.D. I'm thinking I may eventually go into teaching but I haven't made up my mind on that point yet. I'm not trying to test out of required courses. I'm using SL to fast track what is essentially an associate's degree. After I've finished my SL courses, my plan is to attend TESU for a full 12 month period and take 12 courses (all upper-level) over that time. I've looked at dozens upon dozens of other alternatives and TESU seems to be the best fit for me and for what I want to do.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sapientes View Post
                      Thanks TrailRunr. I'm already working in IT (recently transitioned over to Data Science) and want to get a CS degree to continue on to a Masters and possibly a Ph.D. I'm thinking I may eventually go into teaching but I haven't made up my mind on that point yet. I'm not trying to test out of required courses. I'm using SL to fast track what is essentially an associate's degree. After I've finished my SL courses, my plan is to attend TESU for a full 12 month period and take 12 courses (all upper-level) over that time. I've looked at dozens upon dozens of other alternatives and TESU seems to be the best fit for me and for what I want to do.
                      Forgot to add that those 12 courses taken at TESU will be the last 36 credits of my degree (78 earned through SL, 3 via ed4credit, and 3 via Saylor.) That'll give me all 120 credits I need to graduate. And then on to bigger and better things ... hopefully

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