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    In a few days in a undisclosed location I will be having lunch with Admiral Mullens. He is a 4 star admiral, and I am seaman hah. I plan on asking him for a letter of recommendation to go officer. All of my higher ups suggested I ask. (E-7, E-6, 0-5, E-9). Anyone have any good ideas to help me ask for it? He is the highest ranking person in the Navy, and I do not wish to be rude.
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  • #2
    I have involved in setting these up and selecting members to be at these luncheons/photo ops/dinners. Usually you'll have the opportunity to ask a question or two during the lunch...sometimes prompted...but getting one on one face-time may, or may not, be a possibility. You are going to have to be on the lookout for your chance...that or ask for a moment with the Admiral from one of his aides. Keep in mind that about every minute of the Admiral's visit will be on a tight schedule and is usually directed by the base's Public Affairs office.

    Next, you need to put together a 15-30 second commercial about yourself, much the same as though you were job hunting and had only a few seconds with someone in the hiring chain to sell yourself. Include all of your military accomplishments, awards, distinguishing moments like doing well on training or volunteer events you led or took part in; end it with you asking for his recommendation to the officer academy.

    You want to look exceptionally sharp in both your appearance and speech. Be clear, concise, personable, professional and make sure whatever you wish to ask or talk about is practiced and polished.

    The Admiral is just a person so don't be nervous around him, the worst that can happen is he says no and you haven't lost anything. This is a rare window of opportunity so insure you are prepared and confident. Good Luck!
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    • #3
      Holy S.

      Just imagine being turned down for OCS if you get the rec.

      "Sir, Admiral Mullen seems to think I would be a great officer, and he outranks you by quite a bit."

      I don't think I can give any good advice for this, so I won't. Good luck!
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      • #4
        Haha thanks everyone! Nice support and some great advice. As we speak I am working on my 20second Info Commcercial I am going to say to him


        Haha at them turning me down for OCS. I havent done anything bad either, in highschool 3.5GPA, and currently in college 3.6. So not to bad..

        I shall impress him with my paper thing cammies after I iron them for another 2 hours

        Oh I forgot to say, I am sitting right next to him. His right side (good arm) haha
        Last edited by notaseal; 12-15-2009, 07:53 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by notaseal
          I shall impress him with my paper thing cammies after I iron them for another 2 hours
          Nice! Too bad it's not summertime or you could have impressed him with some tight sleeve rolls too. Good luck!
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          • #6
            Have you thought about putting together a dossier on yourself and handing it to him as well? Seeing as your sitting right next to him it seems as though you have your "in". Keep in mind that he will be meeting many troops during his visit, a visual couldn't do anything but help him remember who you are and what you requested. Just a thought and be sure to let us know how it went!
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            • #7
              Well I got DENIED as I thought. Heres a play by play


              We had a meeting about 12 of us, all E-6, E-7's then theres lonely E-3 me.

              He gets up leaves next door, I follow. I ask his security for a second alone, he told me to talk to the captain (O-6) I asked him he told me go ahead, then there was an O-5 in army, she let me go. Then as I walk up he trys to pose for a picture I tell him its strictly business and ask for the letter. He tells me absolutely not, and that he has to know the person first. I asked him if he had a minute lol. Then he left into the sunset... probably wondering who that cocky ass E-3 was.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by notaseal
                Well I got DENIED as I thought. Heres a play by play


                We had a meeting about 12 of us, all E-6, E-7's then theres lonely E-3 me.

                He gets up leaves next door, I follow. I ask his security for a second alone, he told me to talk to the captain (O-6) I asked him he told me go ahead, then there was an O-5 in army, she let me go. Then as I walk up he trys to pose for a picture I tell him its strictly business and ask for the letter. He tells me absolutely not, and that he has to know the person first. I asked him if he had a minute lol. Then he left into the sunset... probably wondering who that cocky ass E-3 was.
                >>

                Awwww...sorry. I wish it had gone better for you! Keep your chin up, where there's a will, there's a way!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by notaseal
                  Well I got DENIED as I thought. Heres a play by play


                  We had a meeting about 12 of us, all E-6, E-7's then theres lonely E-3 me.

                  He gets up leaves next door, I follow. I ask his security for a second alone, he told me to talk to the captain (O-6) I asked him he told me go ahead, then there was an O-5 in army, she let me go. Then as I walk up he trys to pose for a picture I tell him its strictly business and ask for the letter. He tells me absolutely not, and that he has to know the person first. I asked him if he had a minute lol. Then he left into the sunset... probably wondering who that cocky ass E-3 was.
                  I'm not gonna lie, that took balls. I don't know if I would have done it. +100 cool points.

                  Sucks you got rejected though.
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                  • #10
                    You tried...that's a hell of a lot better than NOT trying and wondering what would've/could've happened. Hold your head high and do not for a moment be ashamed. Good job.
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                    • #11
                      Sorry to hear that dude, although I have to admit I expected as such. An OCS recommendation from the Chief of Naval Operations really shouldn't be something that comes so easy, although I do respect the massive cajones it took to ask. I am reminded of the story about Christopher Columbus asking to be named Grand Admiral of the Ocean. If you still want a rec, maybe you should start with your DivO and work your way up.
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                      • #12
                        Perhaps you have just planted a seed. Who knows where life will lead you and if your paths will cross in the future. If they do, you will have made an impression and may be given opportunities because of this interaction. Don't kick yourself. You knew the worst case scenario going in was a possible "no."

                        If you have ever worked in sales, you are taught that each "no" is just one step closer to your "yes."

                        Keep on trying!

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for helpfull words of advice everyone.

                          JFP, I figured a 4 star admiral might be better



                          each "no" is just one step closer to your "yes."

                          I like that. Shall be my new signature on emails
                          Last edited by notaseal; 12-22-2009, 02:37 PM.
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                          • #14
                            What rank is your CO? Have you tried getting a LOR from HIS boss?

                            I just applied to OCS and here's what I did. I asked my Company Commander (O3) for a LOR. We talked a bit, and then I asked if he could set up an interview with our Battalion Commander (O5) so I could obtain a LOR from him as well. What ended up happening is that I wrote my own LOR and the BN CDR just signed it without even interviewing me. Too easy.

                            Perhaps you could swing something similar.
                            Jesse
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                            • #15
                              My CO Is an O-5 And were on pretty good terms. He is pretty cool CO.

                              And my XO is an O-5 and we are also on good terms, hes also an english major so I could get him to help out with a write up. He is also pretty cool
                              Last edited by notaseal; 12-19-2009, 06:08 PM.
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