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The study guides state:
"The use of non-programmable calculators is permitted during the test. Scratch paper for computations should be provided."[/quote] I've contacted several military test centers which stated just that. I won't be sweating it as my calculator does not have that program option. |
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In an effort to add more speculation with some possibly, potentially helpful information, here's an excerpt from the University of Alberta Engineering Department which provides some detail, at least from their perspective, of programmable vs. non-programmable calculators. This whole four function thing in previous posts sounds crazy to me. Why DSST doesn't make this clear is beyond me. Anyway, for those who are interested, check this out.
Policy on Calculator Use In Examination List of Approved Calculators Approved Calculators: Functionality and Specifications Policy on Calculator Use In Examinations The Faculty of Engineering has adopted a policy for undergraduate courses whereby only certain makes and models of calculators are allowed in midterm and final examinations for all undergraduate courses offered within the Faculty. This is to provide a level playing field for all students and preclude devices with communications capabilities. Any calculator taken into an examination must have a sticker identifying it as an acceptable programmable (green sticker) or non-programmable calculator (gold sticker). Students can purchase calculators at the University Book Store with stickers already affixed. Calculators purchased elsewhere can be brought to the Dean's Office where the appropriate sticker will be affixed to the calculator. Given the cost of the programmable calculators, instructors should give careful consideration to the need for these in an examination... List of Approved Calculators Calculators approved by the Faculty of Engineering for use in examinations are as follows: Non-Programmable: Hewlett Packard Model HP 30S Sharp EL-520V or EL-520VB CASIO FX-115MS Plus Texas Instruments Model TI-30X IIB or TI-30X IIS (The IIS is the solar version of the IIB and costs ~$5 more) (All Approximately $20) Programmable: Acceptable: Texas Instruments Models below: (Approx. $175) TI-83 Plus TI-73 TI-80 TI-82 TI-83 Recommended: Texas Instruments Models TI-83 Plus & higher TI-83 Plus T1-83 Plus Silver Edition TI-84 Plus TI-84 Plus Silver Edition TI-85 TI-86 TI-89 T1-89 Titanium TI-92 Plus
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My exam proctor has informed me that I may use a calculator but they provide the calculator. I have informed the testing center, under DSST guidelines, I am allowed to bring my own.
But if not able to do so, the exam proctor needs to inform me what calculator I will be using. I can not show up the day of the exam and then figure out how to use the calculator!! |
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Sent 7/5/2007:
'(Please find below my reasoned assessment of the calculator guidelines given by the DSST program, and the rationales given for the conclusions reached. See attached PDF, page 13 actual, for a copy of the calculator guidelines.) It does not logically stand to reason that only 4-function calculators are acceptable for DSST exams. First, if this was the case, the guidelines for acceptable calculators would be excessively redundant. It would serve no purpose to state that a calculator does not have a full alphabetic display, indicating partial alphabetic displays are acceptable. It would not need to be noted that the calculator should be nonprogrammable, and lacking a graphical display. No 4-function calculator would have any alphabetical display to begin with, and the issue of programmability or a graphical display would be a moot point. The guidelines, if meant to restrict calculators to 4-function only, would only need to say "only a calculator with addition, subtraction, division and multiplication is acceptable." Secondly, four-function calculators are vestiges of the 1970s. It would not be reasonable for a 2006 publication to restrict students to calculators decades old, in short supply and at relatively expensive prices. Examining the guidelines, the last three criteria of "nonprogrammable" with no "full alphabetical display" or "graphical display," I believe this indicates an imprecise attempt at banning full-fledged computers from the test room. As the DSST staff appear unaware of and unable to comment on the existing guidelines, I have made a good faith effort to properly and correctly apply them to the Casio FX-115ES, which I believe is acceptable under the calculator guidelines as written. 1) "any commercially produced calculator" - the Casio FX-115ES ("the calculator") is commercially produced by Casio 2) "that is battery or solar operated" - the calculator is solar operated 3) "silent" - the calculator has no speaker 4) "handheld" - the calculator is a handheld device 5) "nonprogrammable" - the calculator does not have any Boolean logic, high-level programming languages such as TI-BASIC. I have interpreted the guideline as pertaining to high-level programming languages only, as programmability is a wide ranging phenomenon, including direct interaction with the calculator, and feature such as M+ and M-. As either of these would ban all calculators, they cannot be the case, or else there would be no point in creating calculator guidelines. 6) "does not have either a full alphabetic display or a graphical display" - the calculator does not have a full alphabetical display. Again, any viewable display is technically graphical in nature. However, this would also have the effect of banning all calculators, with the same conclusion as point 5. Therefore, I have interpreted "graphical display" to mean a display with individual pixel addressing, such as a graphing calculator, a PDA, or laptop computer. The calculator does not have a display with individually addressed pixels. Now, a counter-example, using the Casio CFX-9850GCPlus, a calculator that I believe would violate said guidelines: 5) "nonprogrammable" - this calculator has 64KB of memory. It can store user generated programs, programmed in its own proprietary Boolean logic-based high-level programming language. 6) "does not have either a full alphabetic display or a graphical display" - the display on the calculator is listed as being "21 characters x 8 lines." This indicates a fully alphabetical and graphically capable display. Thank you for your attention to this matter.' Received 7/6/2007: "I'll check into this further."
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Man oh Man! I'm getting my Finance exam over with before you guys get every testing issued it's own dollar store calculator... Has no one heard the addage don't ask, don't tell? Turn this mole into a mountain and everyone will pay the price. Different testing centers will have different issues. Work the issues out with the testing center. If possible find a different testing center. As far as I can see the only grey area right now is whether or not you can have a calculator in the room during an online exam. There the precedent set by CLEP is pretty clear. Only the online calculator is available for use. On the other hand the test info sheet clearly states that you can take a calculator to the exam. This is where things get murky. OK if you limit the online version to only the online calc then people taking the paper exam using their own calculator (the same one I had to buy my 7th grader by the way) do have an advantage if the questions are exactly the same.I've got one math intensive test left. It's now my first priority before someone gets their lawyer involved. ![]()
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I'm completely on board with you on this concept--but not in this case! I applaud those who are pursuing this aggressively, as it can only help all of us one way or the other. To me--the intent is clear. Why they refuse to spell it out is not clear. Their calculator guidelines, as written, are consistent with SAT, AP etc. guidelines. The testing center interpretations are clearly wrong and given by disinterested parties who are simply playing it safe because they are lazy and/or ... not the sharpest knives in the drawer. I, for one, want to know and have something to back me up before I set foot in the testing center--or even raise the issue.
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On 7/10/2007, I received this in response:
"We are going to have 4-function calculators available for the DSST exams that allow calculators." I think this means that they are only allowing their own "4-function" calculators at the exam, and will not allow outside, more advanced calculators, in contravention to the implied standards of the calculator guidelines in the candidate bulletin. Therefore, I have decided to seek out alternative DSST testing centers for exams requiring the use of a calculator. As a reference for anyone in the area, the testing center in question is Northern Essex Community College in Haverhill, MA. Edit: I have sent the following e-mail (same date) to an alternate DSST testing center in my area. I will post the reply when it arrives: 'Within the next few months, I intend to take the DSST exams "Principles of Finance" and "Principles of Statistics." To prevent any confusion from occurring while taking the exams, I will be bringing in my own calculators to the exams, as according to the DSST Candidate Bulletin (see attached PDF file, actual page 13), both the "Principles of Finance" and "Principles of Statistics" exams allow calculators to be used. I will be bringing in calculators that I understand fall under the following DSST issued guidelines for acceptable calculators: "An approved calculator is any commercially produced calculator that is battery or solar operated, silent, handheld, nonprogrammable and does not have either a full alphabetic display or a graphical display." It is quite probable that you are fully aware of the above, but another testing center I contacted was wholly unaware that any calculators were allowed on any exams, and I've read reports of other testing centers issuing their own calculator guidelines, in contravention to the published DSST calculator guidelines. Thank you.'
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Excelsior, BS Finance, pursuing degree Studying: Completed: CLEP: Hum. (67), Hist. of U.S. I (74), Hist. of U.S. II (71), Intro. Psych. (69), Intro. Soc. (72), Soc. Sci. and Hist. (74), Western Civ I (72), Western Civ II (70), Am. Lit. (60), Intro. to Educ. Psych. (62), P. of Management (74), P. of Market. (74), Intro. Bus. Law (67), P. of Accounting (60), AmGov (68) DSST: Ethics in Am. (76), P. of Super.(67), HRM (65), Intro to Bus. (70), MIS (65), P. of Fin (62), M&B (65), P. of Stat. (68) ECE: OB (B) TECEP:: IntFin, SecAna Total Credits: 114 Last edited by mstcrow5429 : 07-10-2007 at 10:52 AM. |
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7/10/2007, received this from Granite State College-Manchester (GSC) in reply to the above:
"Sounds good to me." Therefore, if you are in the Boston-Manchester metro area, I would recommend going to GSC for DSST exams that allow calculators.
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Excelsior, BS Finance, pursuing degree Studying: Completed: CLEP: Hum. (67), Hist. of U.S. I (74), Hist. of U.S. II (71), Intro. Psych. (69), Intro. Soc. (72), Soc. Sci. and Hist. (74), Western Civ I (72), Western Civ II (70), Am. Lit. (60), Intro. to Educ. Psych. (62), P. of Management (74), P. of Market. (74), Intro. Bus. Law (67), P. of Accounting (60), AmGov (68) DSST: Ethics in Am. (76), P. of Super.(67), HRM (65), Intro to Bus. (70), MIS (65), P. of Fin (62), M&B (65), P. of Stat. (68) ECE: OB (B) TECEP:: IntFin, SecAna Total Credits: 114 |