next....? can you give us a hint as to which ones (besides english comp) that you have in the works? i want to put off taking those until the flashcards are ready.

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- Did you feel this exam was easy, hard, or in between?
- How does it compare against other DANTES exams you have taken?

I would compare the difficulty level to the the "Soviet Union" exam.

Other tests I have taken:

Civil War (68)
Rise and Fall of UssR (67)
Drug and Alcohol (62)
Vietnam War (73)

- Are there any specific areas I should focus my studies on?


For example, one should be familiar with the First Indochina war involving the French and the french defeat at Dien Bein Phu in 1954, all the key players on both sides (Nixon, Kissinger, Westmoreland, McNamara, etc. for US and Ho Chi Min, Pham Van Dong, and Ho's Generals for No. Vietnam), names of major operations (Flaming Dart, Rolling Thunder, Cedar Falls, etc.), know what a "strategic hamlet" is (concentration camp), and what the "phoenix program" involved (assassination)...

The test covered the period up to Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia, which was well after the US had pulled out.



- Did you by any chance save any of your study notes?
No, the only notes I used were fact sheets that I found by using google, or wikipedia. The primary study aid I used was those DVDs and the "Dummies" guide.
Hope this helps

Thanks Cederic,

That helps a lot.

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Upcoming Exams: DANTES History of the Vietnam War (7/13)

Good luck today!!!

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Hi All,

The Vietnam exam today was very challenging. I am pretty certain that I passed, but I have no clue whether it will be a high score or a barely passing score. A lot of DANTES exams are like that. But this one especially so.

I can't believe that the Vietnam exam is only lower level credit. In my opinion, it was every bit as difficult and challenging as both the Soviet Union, and the Civil War exams. The questions they asked, and the knowledge they required, were just as deep and complex for this exam as they were on the two upper level exams.

Luckily, I had studied equally as hard for History of the Vietnam War as I had done for Civil War and Soviet Union. So I really do think I was able to pull it off. But there are definitely EASIER lower level history exams to be taken.

I don't recommend this exam to anyone who just needs 'filler credit' to boost their electives. Leave it for the history majors who NEED this credit, and/or certified history buffs who would gladly CHOOSE to take this exam.

I enjoyed studying for this exam, and I actually enjoyed how challenging the exam was (I'm always up for a good challenge)....I just wasn't expecting it to be comparable in scope and depth to the two upper level history exams I had already taken.

I don't think I failed it. I really did study hard for it, and I think I knew the answer to most of the questions, even though they were not quite as straightforward as I anticipated.

Cederic was right on the money when he said, "I would compare the difficulty level to the Soviet Union exam."

You absolutely cannot take this exam for granted. Approach it as if it is one of the more difficult upper level DANTES exams. Studying for it is especially problematic since Instancert does not cover this subject. You are basically on your own.

Here's my breakdown of the exam, for all who are undeterred by my words of caution!


To study I used ALL of the following sources:

http://www.sparknotes.com/history/american/vietnamwar/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
(lots of links to follow if you want to get nice and deep into the subject)

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/vietnam.html

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/

http://www2.skidmore.edu/uww/vietnam/war.htm

http://www2.skidmore.edu/uww/vietnam/issues.htm

http://www.donnan.com/vietnam_timeline.htm

http://vietnam.vassar.edu/overview.html

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...storyVIET3.htm


Make sure you adequately study the early history of Vietnam, the French aspect, and Laos/Cambodia. Even after studying all the above sources, I was still thrown for a loop by a few of the questions in these areas and had to make educated guesses. These were the areas that I felt least prepared for. Together, they make up approximately 19% of the exam (about 20 questions). It's not a huge loss if you miss a couple of them, but be prepared for some challenging questions in these sections (1/5th of the exam). Certainly don't skip over these areas as you prepare for the exam.

The rest of the exam follows the DANTES factsheet to the letter. There were few surprises in the actual content of the questions. Rather, it was the depth of knowledge tested that caught me off guard.

There will be plenty of "simple" questions to boost your score too...if you have studied hard and prepared well, you might be able to answer ALL of these 'low hanging fruit' correctly.


NAMES:

Bao Dai
Eisenhower
Ho Chi Minh
Le Duan
Le Duc Tho
Pham Van Dong
Vo Nguyen Giap
Duong Van Minh
Ky
Thieu
Ngo Dinh Diem
Ngo Dinh Nhu
Madame Nhu
Nguyen Khanh
Dulles
Abrams
Fulbright
Harkins
JFK
RFK
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Johnson
Rusk
McNamara
Lodge
Bundy
Nixon
Kissinger
Truman
Acheson
Westmoreland
King Sianouk
Lon Nol
Pol Pot
Sen Morse and Sen Gruening
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
The Kingdom of Champa


EVENTS/PLACES/ BATTLES/OPERATIONS/PROGRAMS:

First Indochina War
Laos
Cambodia
Versailles Peace Conference
Dien Bien Phu
Geneva Accords
Ap Bac
Gulf of Tonkin
1964 US Election
Pleiku and Flaming Dart
Rolling Thunder
Ho Chi Minh Trail
Ia Drang
Operation Cedar Falls and Central Office of South Vietnam (COSVN)
Phoenix Program
Khe Sanh
Tet Offensive
Saigon
My Lai Massacre
Kent State
Agroville
Strategic Hamlet
Spring Offensive
Quang tri
An Loc
Paris Peace Talks
The Killing Fields
Democratic National Convention in Chicago (1968)


GROUPS/ORGANIZATIONS:

Vietnamese Nationalist Party (VNQDD)
Viet Minh
Khmer Rouge
National Liberation Front
Pathet Lao
Students for a Democratic Society
Vietnam Veterans Against the War


TERMINOLOGY:

Foreign Assistance Act
Self-immolation by Buddhist Monks
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution
Great Society
War on Poverty
Guns & Butter
Americanization
Escalation
Vietnamization
Containment
Domino Theory
War of Attrition
Peace with Honor
Pentagon Papers
Fulbright Senate Hearings
Moratoria
Detente (USSR and China)
Watergate
War Powers Act

I hope this helps! I know it's a lot but, like I said, this exam is no walk in the park. You WILL need to be familiar with each and every item listed above.

I will let you know how I faired when my score arrives. It may turn out that, because this is one of the more difficult DANTES exams, it will actually be easier to score high on it (Eg, the reference group against which our scores are scaled didn't do very well on it). In that case, I may end up with a higher score than I am expecting....but if my score IS high, I will certainly have EARNED it. Hope that makes sense?

That's all for now. Come back again in about 2-3 weeks for the dramatic conclusion to my story!


Best of luck,
Snazzlefrag

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GPA: 4.0

Sorry I didn't respond earlier--I missed this post! Nothing set in stone at the moment, and it'll prob be the end of August before another subject goes up, but I have a feeling it's going to be either the Adulthood and Aging or the Gerontology ECE.

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And as always, very good info Rob. Based on what I'm seeing, it doesn't look like Vietnam is going to be worth the effort of developing...

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I know this is from Feb - but I thought I would add my 2¢ for other people considering taking it - Vietnam was HARD! But I took it and passed - so not impossible.

I thought I knew the subject - but apparently I did not! The PBS series is crucial and there is a book by Stanley Karnow "Vietnam: A History" (available through audible in audio format) that was also very helpful. Those were the only two resources I used.

Hi All,

You're not going to believe this, but I got my score for History of the Vietnam War today....ELEVEN (11) DAYS after I took the exam.

Is this a new world record?

I hadn't even begun to watch for the mailman yet. I try not to even think about it until day 14. But here we are on day 11, and I got my score!

What a wonderful surprise it was...I got a 70.

Despite the high score, I still wouldn't recommend this exam unless you really need it, or have a love of history. There are many 'easier' exams available.

Thanks, as always, to those who helped me with this one,
Snazzlefrag

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My name is Rob
So far, I have earned 142 credits (12 not used).

Excelsior College
- BS Psychology (5 courses/exams to go)
- BS Business (2 courses/exams to go)
____________
Upcoming: N/A
In-progress: CSU-Pueblo: Labor Relations course
Most Recently Completed: English Composition at PFC (97).
Exams/Courses Passed To Date (43):
- Courses (4): 1 ECE, 1 CSU-Pueblo, 2 PFC.
- Exams (39): 24 DANTES, 15 CLEP.
GPA: 4.0