*Begin Rant*

Sooo I passed my intro to sociology clep which my academic counselor said would be good for the 3 credits im deficient in lower levels for social sciences.
Great! Im thinking i will only need the 3 for physical sciences and intended on taking that August 1st.
Well I look and the credits were not applied apparently its duplication of credit from my transfer credits with a sociology 101 class i took in 1996. so now i have to appeal or take another clep test which im prepared to do. But guess what UoP did? they register me for my next class which is a social science class and my class after that is my physical science class. I guess they dont want to lose the 1400 a freaking class! I will have to pay them. not to mention the numerous papers and presentations I will be forced to do. *End Rant*

I have left numerous voicemails today, expressing my discontent over this. I am not paying for these 2 classes. I am prepared to transfer to UoPs online campus or to Excelsior but i dont know if i will meet my graduation date of April 31st 2007 so I can apply for grad school before thier deadlines(may31st, june1st).

My questions are which 2 cleps are easiest to satisfy the 3 social science credits and 3 physical science credits i need(keep in mind the problem i have with the intro to soc clep)

Also what are the odds that i can transfer to excelsior and still finish by April 31st?

im soooo sad, frustrated, disheartened and flat out P*ssed!!
arghhhhH!!
Sorry guys.
AKay

First off, Excelsior confers degrees monthly. Check out the Publications Request page on their website, and download the Graduation Processing Parameters document for dates. In other words, if you take the appropriate exams, classes, or combination of these, you should be able to graduate by your deadline. Also, if you do transfer to Excelsior, they will also consider the Sociology CLEP and the class you took in 1996 as duplicate credit, and I'm not sure if they'd throw one of them out altogether.

As for what Social Sciences and Physical Sciences exams you could take, how about these:

Social Sciences
CLEP American Government
CLEP Human Growth and Development
CLEP Introduction to Educational Psychology
CLEP Introductory Psychology
CLEP Introductory Sociology
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics
CLEP Social Sciences & History (General exam, 6 credits)
CLEP U.S. History I: Early Colonizations to 1877
CLEP U.S. History II: 1865 to the Present
CLEP Western Civilization I: Ancient Near East to 1648
CLEP Western Civilization II: 1648 to the Present
DSST Art of the Western World
DSST Western Europe since 1945
DSST An Introduction to the Modern Middle East
DSST Human/Cultural Geography
DSST Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union
DSST A History of the Vietnam War
DSST The Civil War and Reconstruction
DSST Foundations of Education
DSST Lifespan Developmental Psychology
DSST General Anthropology
DSST Drug and Alcohol Abuse
DSST Introduction to Law Enforcement
DSST Criminal Justice
DSST Fundamentals of Counseling

Physical Sciences
CLEP Biology
CLEP Chemistry
CLEP Natural Sciences (General exam, 6 credits)
DSST Astronomy
DSST Environment & Humanity
DSST Here's to Your Health
DSST Physical Geology
DSST Principles of Physical Science I

Of course, you have to make sure UoP accepts your exams of choice. Also, the General CLEP exams are frequently not accepted as fulfilling Social Science or Physical Science credit by many schools.

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Ana
96 credits completed (93 by exam)
BS in General Business, Excelsior College (33 credits remaining)
Next exams: DSST Statistics, DSST Business Law 2
Recently taken: DSST Drug/Alcohol (61), CLEP French (63), ECE Gerontology (B ), DSST MIS (65), DSST Counseling (54), DSST Ethics (63)

What a helpful list, Ana. You are great!

Hi AKay,

The Intro. Psych and the Intro. Ed Psych on Ana's list above are not very difficult and wouldn't take much time to study for using IC's flashcards. Of the physical sciences, biology is tough but very doable with IC and applying some good study skills. Can't speak from experience on the rest so perhaps others will be able to give you more input. I know a lot of people say that Here's to Your Health is pretty easy.

I sure am sorry to hear about your situation. How frustrating.

Librevore

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BS Psychology

Thanks for the help!!
I forgot to mention the academic counselor no longer works there and now im having a hard time doubling up my classes.
This sucks because on august 1st i should have been at 84 credits with only 36 credits(12 classes to go) which is/was very doable by April 31st.

UoP has also made it difficult to transfer some of my certifications and previous computer school learning so most of these upper classes are stuff I have done I just have to "serve the time" taking the course.


AKay

I hate how universities have become a money making business instead of a real concern for education (some better then others). I recommend to go to Excelsior instead. They have always taken my CLEPs plus they have all of their own upper level exams. Also I have always heard good things about Thomas Edison.
I feel your pain. I had similar experiances just with my community college. I could go on with that.
I wonder if withdrawing from them would get them to change their mind?



-Magic

Hi Akay

I am a UOP student also and can relate to your frustration over how they operate! Just because they sign you up for classes doesn't mean you have to pay for them or take them though. I would just call and tell them you are in the process of taking CLEP tests to fulfill those requirements. I have taken MANY breaks from taking classes and it has never been a problem.

Good Luck!

Denise

ok update!
Im not taking those 2 lower level classes!
My next class is directed study and is visual basic.

however my new AC told me us history 1 is not a social science its a history so i cant take that one to satisfy the 3 credits.
I think im just going to take the intro to psy clep in about 3 weeks.
Im taking Biology august 1st.

I hope the academic counselors are smarter in grad school lol.
Thanks for the help/advice guys!
AKay

Get it in writing.......

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ShotoJuku +
A.S., B.S., M.S.

Always be ready to release your mind and be willing to listen to the advice of others. Remain flexible. - Gichin Funakoshi

Definitely get it in writing. I have never read in any college catalog where history was separate from social science. I'm not saying your AC is wrong, it is just unusual in my experience. Personally, I'd ask your AC directly what CLEPS/DSST tests can be taken to meet the requirements and get that in writing.

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BS in Accounting(General) from Excelsior College
Enrolled in MBA program at Upper Iowa University.

I agree with SimonTam,

It seems strange that they would separate History from Social Science. Usually, colleges require a certain amount of credits in "History and Social Science". It is unusual for them to require specific "History" credits, and then separate "Social Science" credits.

I would certainly double check that. Especially since you have recently experienced an Academic Counselor who wasn't the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree!



I'm glad you got the course registrations sorted out. They can't FORCE you to register/pay for any course that you don't want to pay for.

It sounds like you will need to be really careful with these guys. Double check everything, keep on top of things, and get things in writing.

Cover yourself,
Snazzlefrag

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My name is Rob
So far, I have earned 142 credits (12 not used).

Excelsior College
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