Originally Posted by Gary

As for Barney Frank and the Dems, while they were supporters of this mess, it started at the TOP. Good ole, dubya wanted to increase home ownership for many.

Originally Posted by Gary

Aaaaahhhh, what the heck, I'm well rested. You don't know what to think so I'll tell you what you should think. That the conservative movement in this country is based partly on racism, but they will swear that it is not. The conservative movement wants you to think the Dems are going to raise your taxes AND move America into a socialist society. The first is true if you make upwards of $200,000 a year. There is nothing wrong w/that, that's old news. I think they are aiming their arrow at the red states, especially those who don't know better. The false message, they hope will be accepted by the "huddled" masses there, the ones lined up outside the unemployment office, food banks, job fairs and other gatherings where they try for a renewed dream. They don't get it yet, but someday soon they will. At least we can only hope! As far as socialism is concerned, the slight appearance may be there, but how do they explain gov't as it was when they were in power. What kind of hokey gov't was that anyway? That was a democracy, huh? THIS MESS WAS CREATED WHEN THE REPUBLICANS WERE DRIVING. Don't forget that. We can pick out many pork projects, no doubt about it. But the conservatives offer a smokescreen. They want gov't to become crippled so they get their chance to load up again. Fill the "wealthy's " coffers, that is capitalism as they would have it. They have shown how they really feel about people, they really don't give a crap. Recent statistics show blacks are unemployed much higher than whites, hispanics and asians to name a few. I guess they are just lazy, right? Wrong! They are discriminated against as are the poor and even the middle class. Conservative capitalism is a losing hand for all except the rich. Many in the military won't agree w/this and I understand that. When I was in and getting a regular paycheck, I was removed from some of the problems society faced. I never thought about hurting myself lifting crazy weights or playing sports. I would still draw a paycheck. I always had a job. They wouldn't. They were lucky to receive 60-70% of their normal pay while out on disability or workers compensation. Out in the civilian world, they worry about jobs, medical/dental coverage, life insurance and other daily problems. Both have it tough. I worked my a$$ off and never had a problem paying taxes nor donating to charities such as Navy Relief, United Way or many of the others. Why do those who are well connected, had their careers laid out for them paid for by grants and student loans now have a problem helping those in need? What I find hard to understand is how those in the military are making the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq in the name of democracy when at home, our own are forgotten. How did we arrive here? Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors of the conservative movement. They are the real threat to society. Didn't you just witness it? Don't forget it. If there is any chance to kick start this economy, putting $$$ out into the economy makes the most sense. If you were one of the unemployed worried for your kids or families, you'd understand that. It is time to shut up the conservatives. Just because you worked for everything you have in your life is no reason to accept their theories. I'm pretty sure, somewhere, sometime, if maybe for a moment, you rec'd help from someone. So in review, try to understand this lunacy. The conservatives believe we should be in Iraq in the name of spreading democracy, whether they wanted it or not.......because they (Republicans) care about people. Then why are they against helping those who need help right here in what we call the greatest country in the world? How can you possibly buy into their pork talk and wasteful spending rhetoric? I am NOT a Democrat, I am an Independent thinker of and for America. Shut them up once and for all. They are showing you the true "them" and it's pretty ugly if you ask me. I'll be damned if I ever side with any team that has Rush as a spokesman. Depart the premises now!

Originally Posted by dc67

I just got done reading my Sunday paper and what did I see? "Duke energy chief , who supported Obabma, says new tax on energy will mean a rise of 30 pct in everyones electric bill."

Thanks BHO!!!!!

I have to get ready for church, I will continue later.


Doug