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15% and 50% who start college finish with BS.
According to Hout, about what percentage of people who start their college education at a community college finish with a bachelor's degree?....15%
According to Hout, about what percentage of people who start their college education at a 4-year college or university actually finish with a bachelor's degree?.....50%
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I would guess that a lot of people who start at a CC were never actually going for a 4-yr degree in the first place. I know my daughter has zero interest in going to college for any more than it takes to get a certificate and get the heck out of there. She hates school.
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At least in CA, a lot of people end of at CC by default. They vaguely know they either need to go to college or go to work, but have no idea what they are really want to do. So they sign up for CC because it's cheap and they don't have to commit to anything. My daughter is tutoring at a local CC this year, and a lot of her students are obviously not ready to get their bachelor's, so it's not surprising that they don't follow through.
Heck, I bet most the people who show up here went to CC and didn't get their bachelor's degree.
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(12-17-2018, 02:39 PM)davewill Wrote: At least in CA, a lot of people end of at CC by default. They vaguely know they either need to go to college or go to work, but have no idea what they are really want to do. So they sign up for CC because it's cheap and they don't have to commit to anything. My daughter is tutoring at a local CC this year, and a lot of her students are obviously not ready to get their bachelor's, so it's not surprising that they don't follow through.
Heck, I bet most the people who show up here went to CC and didn't get their bachelor's degree.
Yep, I'm in CA and I entered CC right after high school and didn't get that far since I didn't enjoy it. I was far more interested in learning on my own.
I ended up dropping out to focus on building my own company.
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Yes, for those of us who live in a state where CC is cheap (or even free), a huge percentage of kids go on to CC immediately after HS. Here in CA, at roughly $750/semester if you don't qualify for any grants (so full price), it's a steal.
My local CC has a grant that gives free tuition and $500 for books for the first 2 semesters of CC if you graduate (and have gone for 4 years) to a list of high schools, and 4 free semesters from a particular school district (that the CC is in). The grant is not need-based, so ALL kids can go for free. Let's not even mention that they have satellite campuses that make it extremely convenient to take classes (the one here is in a converted strip mall in the center of town, basically equidistant between all 3 large high schools; others are equally convenient to the high schools in each area).
So yes, a LOT of our kids are going to CC, because why wouldn't they? I don't know of a single kid in the last few years that wasn't going to at least take a shot at a semester or two of CC here in my town.
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12-17-2018, 08:24 PM
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From my CC teaching days, it was COMMON for students who qualified for a Pell Grant to enroll for the cash. Our tuition was about $75/credit, so a full load was 12, 12, 6 or 15 & 15. I could always tell the students because they never bought the textbooks (they wanted the cash for themselves).
Back then a full Pell was about $5000 for the year, but the tuition for the year was only about half that. Each semester you stayed in, you'd get a check for about $1000 and one for $500 in the summer. You can do that for 6 years, used to be longer. We also had (they still have) grant-funded daycare, as well as transportation to and from the campus. Now that online classes are available, you don't even need to come to campus.
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12-17-2018, 09:02 PM
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I'm not sure I want to go through a course just to get the methodology and context, but it would be interesting to know how Hout came to these numbers. Other researchers estimate that 30-40% of CC students who want a bachelor's degree end up earning one. I believe they looked at an 8-year period since it often takes non-traditional students a long time to finish.
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Yeah, I'd be more interested in knowing the stats without counting students that aimed for an associates. 30-40% is not too bad.
I'd also be interested in knowing how many aimed for an associates and achieved it, especially in the trades or healthcare.
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