Accelerated BAS to Masters... Issue or non-issue?

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

Eventually I suppose we will see shorter 1 year Applied Masters degrees or maybe even 2 year applied doctorates in fields like IT or CS...

Aren't one-year master's fairly common already? Less so ones geared toward moving on to a PhD, but I feel like I have seen a lot, although they still tend to have 30-36 semester credits.

But maybe you are lamenting the possibility of 18- to 24-credit "masters" that until now would have been considered "certificates"?

Most master's degrees are 30-36 credits. Most people don't complete them in 1 year as they aren't enrolled full time. Typically takes 2+ years to complete a master's degree. Most people are working and can't take courses full time. 

I have completed 1 grad certificate that was 12 credits. I'm currently working on a grad certificate that is 18 credits. They're definitely not the same as a master's degree. The courses requirements are pretty different. Grad certificates typically skip the grad research and writing courses, statistics courses, and the capstone/thesis/project course.

I think we're having different conversations here. I'm just trying to understand what FireMedic Philosopher is saying re: "shorter 1 year Applied Masters degrees" and how that would be different from existing one-year masters that are about the same number of credits as two-year ones. 

But we could be off-topic.

I have seen several universities previously test out the idea of an applied or "executive" masters degree.... These were between 20 and 30 credits in size and designed to be completed in only two semesters.

Just one example:
Marywood University... a previous attempt at getting an 18 Credit hour MPA approved by the accreditor (it wasn't). Currently I note they have an 18 CR "executive masters in nonprofit leadership and management".

That is distinctly different than doing a 30 -36 HR masters in 12 months over 3 semesters.... this is a grad certificate that has been reflagged as an actual degree.
When we erode the standard, we erode the foundation it sits on.

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I have seen several universities previously test out the idea of an applied or "executive" masters degree.... These were between 20 and 30 credits in size and designed to be completed in only two semesters.

Just one example:
Marywood University... a previous attempt at getting an 18 Credit hour MPA approved by the accreditor (it wasn't). Currently I note they have an 18 CR "executive masters in nonprofit leadership and management".

That is distinctly different than doing a 30 -36 HR masters in 12 months over 3 semesters.... this is a grad certificate that has been reflagged as an actual degree.
When we erode the standard, we erode the foundation it sits on.

Ah, okay. This isn't something that's been on my radar so I didn't realize it was an emerging trend. I hope it doesn't catch on. Thanks for clarifying!

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

I have seen several universities previously test out the idea of an applied or "executive" masters degree.... These were between 20 and 30 credits in size and designed to be completed in only two semesters.

Just one example:
Marywood University... a previous attempt at getting an 18 Credit hour MPA approved by the accreditor (it wasn't). Currently I note they have an 18 CR "executive masters in nonprofit leadership and management".

That is distinctly different than doing a 30 -36 HR masters in 12 months over 3 semesters.... this is a grad certificate that has been reflagged as an actual degree.
When we erode the standard, we erode the foundation it sits on.

Ah, okay. This isn't something that's been on my radar so I didn't realize it was an emerging trend. I hope it doesn't catch on. Thanks for clarifying!

No problem Sir. But you understand my point... if a 3 year bachelor's becomes the norm... and if more of these sub 30 CR masters get approved, then it is only a matter of time before doctorates start getting cut down.

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

So... with this new 3- year BAS model, does anyone think we might see 4 year accelerated BAS/MS programs?

Or will the elimination of electives interfere too much with a students doing graduate classes during their final undergrad year?