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Best Degree with hospitality credits?
#11
(06-18-2019, 09:33 AM)natshar Wrote: If it's all Lower Level (100 or 200) and mostly or all or mostly hospitality (no gen eds, English, math, etc.) you might be better off going to a local school with an articulation agreement.

About 95% of the culinary and hospitality degree programs will result in an AAS or AOS. As such, I'm betting no articulations exist.
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#12
My main question with a personalized program from Charter Oak is centered around it’s viability for use towards an advanced degree. I don’t know if that’s something that I want to pursue, but the ability to do so would be attractive. With all of your research, do you have any insight on that?
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#13
(06-18-2019, 07:06 PM)MINHAC Wrote: Thank you everyone for your help. I've included my current credits below if anyone has any additional feedback. I've also completed English Comp 1 on SL.

Menu planning and nutrition
3
Food Fundamentals I
3
Food and Culture
3
Dining Room Techniques
4
Basic Math
2
Food Production I
4
Food Fundamentals II
3
Sanitation/Safety/Equipment
2
Hospitality Personnel MGMT
3
Science of Baking
3
Food Production II
4
Communication Skills I
2
Culinary Arts I
4
Hospitality Accounting
3
Classical Cuisine
1
Artistic Display
1
Into to Wine and Spirits
2
General Psychology
3
Employment Seminar
1
Communication Skills II
2
Encounters in Humanities
3
Restaurant Law
3
Microcomputer Literacy
1
Culinary Arts II
4
Purchasing and Cost Control
3
Classical Cuisine
1
Garde Manger
2
Fundamentals of Communication
3
Public Speaking
3
Introduction to Sociology
3
Hospitality Management
4
Principles of Macroeconomics
3


You have 3 options:

(1) FINISH THE DEGREE at your community college - that will give you an AAS - may I ask why you're not finishing this degree? Which school are you at now? I need more info about why this program isn't working for you. I ran a culinary arts degree program through a community college for a long time and can help you if you give me something to work with. If an articulation exists (rare) that may not be faster or cheaper. AAS articulations don't save time or money on a bachelor's degree because they are upside down. AAS programs start with the major classes and finish with gen eds- putting the cheapest and easiest at the END of the degree. Articulations for AA or AS degrees are fine, but this is not that.

(2) Pay a zillion dollars to attend Sullivan. They will take your AAS in full but you'll have to pay a zillion dollars to finish, and their program is only moderately respected in this field.

(3) Complete the bachelors at COSC. Send your official transcript to COSC for an evaluation. Select the degree in Individualized Studies. Write the word "Hospitality" in the subject.

Now that I've written my post, it occurred to me that you DIDNT ask how to get a hospitality degree using hospitality credits - you just asked about earning a degree USING your hospitality credits. So, is this your targeted career field or are you looking to do something else? That's an important question before moving forward.
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#14
I actually do have a completed Culinary Arts degree and most of the credits for Restaurant Management. I may complete that degree as part of this process. I am open to my degree being in Hospitality, but not set on it. This is more about me completing A legitimate degree than any specific program. Just looking for the best common sense path.
I certainly appreciate your guidance.
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#15
(06-19-2019, 06:28 AM)MINHAC Wrote: I actually do have a completed Culinary Arts degree and most of the credits for Restaurant Management. I may complete that degree as part of this process. I am open to my degree being in Hospitality, but not set on it. This is more about me completing A legitimate degree than any specific program. Just looking for the best common sense path.
I certainly appreciate your guidance.

If you just want ANY degree, then COSC is probably going to be your cheapest option.  BUT, you will not be able to bring in all of your credits, since a BS at COSC will require at least 60cr of liberal arts courses, which means 60cr of non-liberal arts courses at the most.  You also have to add 18cr of UL Hospitality courses, which is adding to the number of Non-LA courses, meaning you lose more credits.

But, it's still a better question to ask "how much will it cost in time and money to COMPLETE my degree?" rather than "how many credits will I LOSE in this degree?"  One is looking forward, the other is looking backwards.

I'd do Jennifer's plan, and either choose Hospitality or Management as your UL coursework.  It's going to be the most cost-effective method.  And, with COSC, it's better to try to incorporate your remaining UL credit requirements into your GE requirements if possible, to get the most bang for your buck; so use an UL wherever possible when trying to fulfill a requirement (Adv Tech Writing for your 2nd English Comp requirement, an UL US History course, an UL ethics course, etc.).  Much easier than doing your requirements and THEN taking UL courses.
TESU BSBA/HR 2018 - WVNCC BOG AAS 2017 - GGU Cert in Mgmt 2000
EXAMS: TECEP Tech Wrtg, Comp II, LA Math, PR, Computers  DSST Computers, Pers Fin  CLEP Mgmt, Mktg
COURSES: TESU Capstone  Study.com Pers Fin, Microecon, Stats  Ed4Credit Acct 2  PF Fin Mgmt  ALEKS Int & Coll Alg  Sophia Proj Mgmt The Institutes - Ins Ethics  Kaplan PLA
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#16
(06-19-2019, 10:56 AM)dfrecore Wrote: [At COSC]  You also have to add 18cr of UL Hospitality courses, which is adding to the number of Non-LA courses, meaning you lose more credits.…

I'd do Jennifer's plan, and either choose Hospitality or Management as your UL coursework.  It's going to be the most cost-effective method.  And, with COSC, it's better to try to incorporate your remaining UL credit requirements into your GE requirements if possible, to get the most bang for your buck; so use an UL wherever possible when trying to fulfill a requirement (Adv Tech Writing for your 2nd English Comp requirement, an UL US History course, an UL ethics course, etc.).  Much easier than doing your requirements and THEN taking UL courses.

I think the above misses a nuance about the Individualized Studies concentration at Charter Oak. It's an individualized interdisciplinary concentration where a student chooses at least two contributing disciplines such as Hospitality and Management. Consistent with this, "The 18 upper level credits must represent a logical distribution from various disciplines in the concentration." For instance, you could cover half or more of the 18 sh UL with Management, with maybe 6 or 9 sh from Hospitality.
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#17
Too bad TESU no longer has the BSBA LDAS. That would have been perfect. The American Public University System has a hospitality management program.
Graduate of Not VUL or ENEB
MS, MSS and Graduate Cert
AAS, AS, BA, and BS
CLEP
Intro Psych 70, US His I 64, Intro Soc 63, Intro Edu Psych 70, A&I Lit 64, Bio 68, Prin Man 69, Prin Mar 68
DSST
Life Dev Psych 62, Fund Coun 68, Intro Comp 469, Intro Astr 56, Env & Hum 70, HTYH 456, MIS 451, Prin Sup 453, HRM 62, Bus Eth 458
ALEKS
Int Alg, Coll Alg
TEEX
4 credits
TECEP
Fed Inc Tax, Sci of Nutr, Micro, Strat Man, Med Term, Pub Relations
CSU
Sys Analysis & Design, Programming, Cyber
SL
Intro to Comm, Microbio, Acc I
Uexcel
A&P
Davar
Macro, Intro to Fin, Man Acc
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#18
(06-19-2019, 11:37 AM)sanantone Wrote: Too bad TESU no longer has the BSBA LDAS. That would have been perfect. The American Public University System has a hospitality management program.

You might enjoy the HM program at APU better than a business degree with it as a concentration (so fewer of those courses).  They would take your CC credits plus enough alternative credit to do all of the GE requirements, and you need to plan out taking 30cr there.  So the tuition at APU would be $8100 for those 30cr.  And they do monthly payment plans which might be helpful.

(06-19-2019, 11:30 AM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote:
(06-19-2019, 10:56 AM)dfrecore Wrote: [At COSC]  You also have to add 18cr of UL Hospitality courses, which is adding to the number of Non-LA courses, meaning you lose more credits.…

I'd do Jennifer's plan, and either choose Hospitality or Management as your UL coursework.  It's going to be the most cost-effective method.  And, with COSC, it's better to try to incorporate your remaining UL credit requirements into your GE requirements if possible, to get the most bang for your buck; so use an UL wherever possible when trying to fulfill a requirement (Adv Tech Writing for your 2nd English Comp requirement, an UL US History course, an UL ethics course, etc.).  Much easier than doing your requirements and THEN taking UL courses.

I think the above misses a nuance about the Individualized Studies concentration at Charter Oak. It's an individualized interdisciplinary concentration where a student chooses at least two contributing disciplines such as Hospitality and Management. Consistent with this, "The 18 upper level credits must represent a logical distribution from various disciplines in the concentration." For instance, you could cover half or more of the 18 sh UL with Management, with maybe 6 or 9 sh from Hospitality.

Can you choose 2 things within hospitality management?  So Culinary Arts and Restaurant Management?  Culinary Arts and Restaurant Management?  Whatever 2 different things you want?
TESU BSBA/HR 2018 - WVNCC BOG AAS 2017 - GGU Cert in Mgmt 2000
EXAMS: TECEP Tech Wrtg, Comp II, LA Math, PR, Computers  DSST Computers, Pers Fin  CLEP Mgmt, Mktg
COURSES: TESU Capstone  Study.com Pers Fin, Microecon, Stats  Ed4Credit Acct 2  PF Fin Mgmt  ALEKS Int & Coll Alg  Sophia Proj Mgmt The Institutes - Ins Ethics  Kaplan PLA
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#19
(06-19-2019, 12:22 PM)dfrecore Wrote: Can you choose 2 things within hospitality management?  So Culinary Arts and Restaurant Management? Whatever 2 different things you want?

You can't choose whatever two disciplines you want. The concentration plan of study, with a proposed course list and responses to written prompts in which the student gives a rationale for the concentration and its composition, has to be approved by an advisor.

I shouldn't give an absolute answer to that example, but I will throw in that if you have a course originally titled and coded as restaurant management that drew significantly on a body of knowledge similar to the body of knowledge of general management, it would be worth asking Charter Oak to count that on the Management side of a Hospitality / Management concentration if that worked out best for you.
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#20
Thanks for all the help. You’re all giving me a lot to think about. Out of curiosity, when you have a focused discipline from Charter Oak what is listed on your official degree? Individualized Study or the approved discipline?
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