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Oh, we all have some privilege, and most or all of us reading here probably have some generational wealth and privilege. We'll just disagree on what to do with it sometimes.
In the meantime, let's keep doing what we're doing here helping each other with access to higher education, in a way that kind of wonderfully works on both liberal and conservative grounds.
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I agree Jonathan. There are very many good hearted liberals and conservatives in this world. I wouldn't hesitate to help someone just because they disagree with my views on the role of government. Many very smart people disagree with me and I would have it no other way.
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Quote:Sometimes when I speak about limited government, my liberal friends tend to say things like "well maybe we should just get rid of all the poor people" as if I don't care about poor people. And when I propose cutbacks in spending, they look at me as if I don't care about the future of America. Of course I care about the future. I care a great deal.
Upset that the other side caricatures your position. Totally understand.
Quote:The liberal answer to every problem is to create a government agency, pass regulations and spend tax dollars.
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Liberals demean and villify those who they see as having generational wealth and privilege.
Caricaturing the position of the other side. Dang.
(quotes not all by the same person, but from the same position)
FWIW there are a lot of idiots at OWS. But what is lost by only reading/watching the coverage (not just news coverage either) from only one side is that there are actually very valid complaints coming out of OWS, they just get lost in all the noise.
For example, a key complaint of OWS is that corporations have too much influence in government policy. Corporations want a better position so they lobby government (read: bribe politicians) to change the laws to benefit them. This means writing more laws, making government larger and more complex, to scratch corporate backs.
Hmm... Larger, more complex, less effective government, who on earth complains about that?
See, OWS is complaining about one of the main root causes of what the Tea Party complains about. But nobody ever points THAT out because its easier to get lost in the demagoguery. And, frankly, there's a lot of stupid people there who get on TV, and then there's the whole anarchist thug angle, a product of the more radical left's idea of "being open and accepting of everyone" regardless of their intent, but the fundamental complaint is very valid and feeds into the Tea Party problem.
As an example of corporate cronyism, Nancy Pelosi, who supports OWS and derides corporations, took a multi-million dollar bribe (no other way to describe it) from Visa. Visa let Pelosi in on a sweetheart ultra-exclusive IPO (the most sought after IPO at the time, no less) that made her millions, in exchange for blocking votes on credit card reform. John Murtha was under FBI investigation for massive corruption bordering on outright fraud but died before anything could come of it. Republicans do this stuff too, just take a look at the ones indicted just for bribery in the past decade or so. It's called influence peddling, and it's a major reason why a lot of people get into office.
They then play a smoke-and-mirrors game, waving their fists and screaming at each other on TV to satisfy their constituents, then patting each other on the back and playing golf together. We are being fed a lie daily by politicians and corporations who manipulate each other, and we as human beings are crushed between them and left on the side of the road, only remembered every few years for re-election season.
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Quote:They then play a smoke-and-mirrors game, waving their fists and screaming at each other on TV to satisfy their constituents, then patting each other on the back and playing golf together. We are being fed a lie daily by politicians and corporations who manipulate each other, and we as human beings are crushed between them and left on the side of the road, only remembered every few years for re-election season.
It really is pathetic the amount of talk versus the amount of actual action on both sides.
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How about less action? Maybe we should do what Texas does and have a part time legislature. Stocks rally when congress is not in session.
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ryoder Wrote:How about less action? Maybe we should do what Texas does and have a part time legislature. Stocks rally when congress is not in session.
How about part time and no pay! Lets see how many takers there will be for that job.
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alleycat Wrote:How about part time and no pay! Lets see how many takers there will be for that job. In New Mexico, the 112 state legislators - 70 Representatives and 42 Senators - are all unsalaried volunteers, though their receive small per diems and IRS standard mileage allowances.
In New Hampshire, the 424 state legislators - 400 Representatives and 24 Senators - are each paid all of $200 per two-year session.
Legislative Pay: Good Wage For Some, Others' Pin Money (Tiffany Danitz, Stateline, January 25, 2001; I checked the NM and NH information since.)
(Edited: NM example added subsequent to alleycat's response below.)
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Jonathan Whatley Wrote:In New Hampshire, the 424 state legislators - 400 Representatives and 24 Senators - are each paid all of $200 per two-year session.
You are correct Jonathan. They all do it for the connections that it allows.
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Well, that certainly helps, especially in New Hampshire with its nationally significant primaries. But there must be some good will and interest in service and policy motivating some folks there, too! :p
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Jonathan Whatley Wrote:Well, that certainly helps, especially in New Hampshire with its nationally significant primaries. But there must be some good will and interest in service and policy motivating some folks there, too! :p
We are already having the candidates coming through for the meet and greets. It is quite painful to watch.
You are also correct by saying some of our people do serve for the greater good. But not all.
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