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Found: $1,500 (TOTAL) At-own-pace Law School
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(02-09-2019, 01:59 PM)Ideas Wrote:
(02-09-2019, 10:13 AM)jsd Wrote: Don't forget that the first year dropout rates of those non-ABA schools are a whopping 90%. So the actual bar pass rate is something around 0.22% when you account for them (I did the numbers a few years back in this thread above). Slobodon has passed this benchmark, though, at least.

I saw a documentary about this about 20 years ago. Basically, schools were being somewhat unethical by accepting practically anyone. Many have no idea about the difficulty. I think they were accepting people who had barely passed college courses.

Yep, however, I really like the idea of a meritocracy. It's the principle that community colleges operate under, and you'll see completion rates in the single digits- but that's only a problem if you think people "should" be completing..... which may be a flawed assumption.
I mean really, how many people who bought gym memberships last month are still attending? People are people, and strong follow through is an exceptionally rare quality in people.
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(02-09-2019, 10:59 PM)cookderosa Wrote:
(02-09-2019, 01:59 PM)Ideas Wrote:
(02-09-2019, 10:13 AM)jsd Wrote: Don't forget that the first year dropout rates of those non-ABA schools are a whopping 90%. So the actual bar pass rate is something around 0.22% when you account for them (I did the numbers a few years back in this thread above). Slobodon has passed this benchmark, though, at least.

I saw a documentary about this about 20 years ago. Basically, schools were being somewhat unethical by accepting practically anyone. Many have no idea about the difficulty. I think they were accepting people who had barely passed college courses.

Yep, however, I really like the idea of a meritocracy.  It's the principle that community colleges operate under, and you'll see completion rates in the single digits- but that's only a problem if you think people "should" be completing..... which may be a flawed assumption.  
I mean really, how many people who bought gym memberships last month are still attending?  People are people, and strong follow through is an exceptionally rare quality in people.
I prefer the level playing field of easy entry. I think it creates the greater good.  

No one is required to actually attend classes, for example, at NWCU SoL (they could simply view them, as well, after the fact, but, there's no requirement to do that, either - in first year, one is just required to do the few pass/fail assignments, take and be graded on the midterm, which are pre-requisites to being allowed to order up (with goodly notice to the school, a qualified proctor lined up, etc.) and take the finals (the grade in each of four classes in first year - Contracts, Torts, Criminal Law, and Introduction to Law & Legal Writing (there are optional legal writing classes, but, midterms must've been taken and the pass/fail assignments turned in in order to qualify) - is then based, entirely on those two tests), although those who do participate, either live, or via the discussion boards, can secure as much as a full grade bump for doing so.

The people whom I did "meet" in class, though (and I'm sure there were a ton of first-year students whom I never encountered), seemed, to a person, really smart.

Even people who entered into the program way behind me seemed to have quite a grasp on the material.

Of course, maybe these are the strivers who were also wanting that full-grade participation bump, but, there again we've got the same demographic of those who can get in vs. those who take charge of it and accomplish the task at hand.

In truth, I'm the piker of the former category, masquerading as the latter, but, yes, like an ignoble Tim Ferris who wasn't the greatest kickboxer in the world, but learned the trick that got him a title, I'm getting my little pitons in the crevices of the rock and, by not letting go, eventually am finding that I can, indeed - maybe upon a gust of wind - pull myself up.
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Sorry to bump an old thread but the links are all dead. I'm currently researching various online law schools. California has a ton but none have title IV funding besides maybe 2 (NCU and Concord).

I did find Lawshelf and its partnership with https://nationalparalegal.edu/ for bachelor's and master's degree programs. It's nationally accredited and does qualify for title IV funding, though.
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Not really the same as law school but looks like a great deal if you want to be a paralegal
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(03-28-2023, 04:10 AM)Randyb100 Wrote: Sorry to bump an old thread but the links are all dead. I'm currently researching various online law schools. California has a ton but none have title IV funding besides maybe 2 (NCU and Concord).

I did find Lawshelf and its partnership with https://nationalparalegal.edu/ for bachelor's and master's degree programs. It's nationally accredited and does qualify for title IV funding, though.

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(03-28-2023, 11:19 AM)jsd Wrote: Not really the same as law school but looks like a great deal if you want to be a paralegal

They have a graduate division for compliance law and legal studies.  It doesn’t seem that you can practice law with those degrees, but maybe get a decent job in compliance.  ???
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(03-28-2023, 04:10 AM)Randyb100 Wrote: Sorry to bump an old thread but the links are all dead. I'm currently researching various online law schools. California has a ton but none have title IV funding besides maybe 2 (NCU and Concord).

I did find Lawshelf and its partnership with https://nationalparalegal.edu/ for bachelor's and master's degree programs. It's nationally accredited and does qualify for title IV funding, though.

You need to check here for Title IV eligibility:

Title IV Institution Codes - Finaid

Some of the Cal non ABA law schools and the parent universities that are Title IV:

Taft U (Taft Law School)
National U (JFK Law)
Abraham Lincoln University
San Joaquin College of Law
Thomas Jefferson School of Law

maybe others

Current list of non ABA law schools:

https://www.lsac.org/choosing-law-school...aw-schools
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So perhaps I'm missing something here, but the argument I have mostly seen over the past 5 pages worth of posts about Mid Atlantic and its ilk is that it allows you to learn about the law by studying texts that, from what I am reading, are essentially a souped up version of Cliff's Notes for the law profession.

You cannot actually practice law with a degree from these schools, other than by using loopholes and convoluted strategies, none of which seem to actually rely, near as I can tell, on the actual degree from the school. And this assumes one can pass the Herculean effort of passing the CA bar exam, well known to be the toughest in the country.

So my question is... what is the purpose or value of paying $1500 (or whatever) for the privilege of reading a bunch of books (that one presumably has to buy separately, on their own), and writing essays, that one could do on one's own?

I guess I could see the value to some people of having a piece of paper that says you have a law degree, but if the degree is from a school that isn't recognized by anybody, how worthwhile is that piece of paper?
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(08-27-2023, 06:03 PM)studyingfortests Wrote: So perhaps I'm missing something here, but the argument I have mostly seen over the past 5 pages worth of posts about Mid Atlantic and its ilk is that it allows you to learn about the law by studying texts that, from what I am reading, are essentially a souped up version of Cliff's Notes for the law profession.

You cannot actually practice law with a degree from these schools, other than by using loopholes and convoluted strategies, none of which seem to actually rely, near as I can tell, on the actual degree from the school.  And this assumes one can pass the Herculean effort of passing the CA bar exam, well known to be the toughest in the country.

So my question is... what is the purpose or value of paying $1500 (or whatever) for the privilege of reading a bunch of books (that one presumably has to buy separately, on their own), and writing essays, that one could do on one's own?

I guess I could see the value to some people of having a piece of paper that says you have a law degree, but if the degree is from a school that isn't recognized by anybody, how worthwhile is that piece of paper?

The California Bar accredited schools offer both online and traditional classes.  To keep their standing they are required to maintain a 40% bar pass rate which isn't bad since the overall California Bar pass rate is under 50% much of time itself. In California a significant portion of practicing attorneys and even judges and prosecutors are alumni of these schools.  The non accredited law schools have a lower bar pass rate nonetheless they do produce practicing lawyers. Since California does not afford reciprocity to non California attorney bar applicants, getting admitted in another state depends on the rules.  DC is the easiest, motion in after 3 or 5 years practice.  Other states may require the applicant to pass the bar or may not recognize the non ABA law degree. 

Unfortunately you may need a lawyer to decode the 50 state requirements:

Comprehensive Guide to Bar Admission Requirements 2021 (americanbar.org)

On the other hand simply "reading for the bar" under attorney supervision which is available in Californ and elsewhere depends on the student and only a tiny fraction of bar applicants go that route.
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