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Teachers working multiple jobs?
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(09-23-2022, 09:00 AM)Pats20 Wrote: Who said it was cushy ? I said If I could do it again I’d probably go that route. 
Also if I was or wanted to be a teacher and lived in New York I’d move. The entire country is looking for teachers , many that still have pensions and retiree benefits. Maybe not you, but that’s me.

Read social media. You'll see plenty of people go on and on about how cushy teachers have it. Relocating is definitely not as easy as it sounds. Been there done that. Twice. Not doing it again.
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(09-23-2022, 08:37 AM)ss20ts Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 07:20 AM)Pats20 Wrote: I think the consensus with civil service is you earn less in return for the benefits and pension after 27 years Of service.  I have a few teachers in my family, and neighbors who are. I live in one of the poorest areas in the country. I do not know of any teachers making $25k per year. I’m not saying they’re making bank , but if I could do it again, I’d probably go that route.

Those benefits and pension are gone in many areas of the country. Ours teachers stopped receiving pensions years ago and now are stuck with 401k's like everyone else. They don't have free health insurance or health insurance for life anymore either. 

Where I live, teacher's with experience, a master's degree in their specific field of education, and both state required certifications have starting salaries around $48K. There's an inner city school that has more problems than I can count who starts at $54K. Another inner city school started the year off needing to hire 400 more teachers because so many left over the summer. I live in one of the most expensive states in the nation so $54K doesn't go very far at all. Teaching is the cushy job so many people think it is. Far from it.
The teachers in my very low cost of living area lost pension benefits years ago as well as state healthcare coverage in retirement.  They invest in a 401k and their state healthcare definitely isn't the greatest and costs quite a bit.  Locally, new teachers with a BS start at $28,500 before a county differential that only adds $5k - so $33,500.  Those with a master's degree and years of experience only make around $40k.  Funny thing is you can go to work as a secretary for our local social services department with nothing beyond a high school diploma, make $35k a year, and have the same state benefits.  My sister has taught elementary school for seven years now and makes just over $35k.  She works as a waitress in the summer months while trying to keep up with her required continuing education.  It's ridiculous.
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It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?
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(09-23-2022, 09:53 AM)Pats20 Wrote: It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?

Where in the US are you that $40K is livable? What benefits are teachers in your state getting? How much do they cost? Fewer people at attending college for education degrees today.
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(09-23-2022, 10:00 AM)Ok Hi ss20ts Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 09:53 AM)Pats20 Wrote: It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?

Where in the US are you that $40K is livable? What benefits are teachers in your state getting? How much do they cost? Fewer people at attending college for education degrees today.
Appalachia. Pension and retirement benefits. Pension 10% of pay check. I’d have to ask my sis in law not sure what she pays for health benefits, but I’d say less than most private sector workers.
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If teaching were the "cushy" job that so many seem to think that it is, I doubt that there'd ever be a teacher shortage.
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(09-23-2022, 09:53 AM)Pats20 Wrote: It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?

And sure enough, they are leaving the profession in droves. They don't make a lot of money, are every other politician's favorite punching bag, and get blamed for every failing, perceived or real, in the school system by parents and administrators, despite having less and less say in how things are done in the classroom.

P.S. if $40K is a good living in your area, then I bet the teachers aren't making that much there.
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(09-23-2022, 02:01 PM)davewill Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 09:53 AM)Pats20 Wrote: It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?

And sure enough, they are leaving the profession in droves. They don't make a lot of money, are every other politician's favorite punching bag, and get blamed for every failing, perceived or real, in the school system by parents and administrators, despite having less and less say in how things are done in the classroom.

P.S. if $40K is a good living in your area, then I bet the teachers aren't making that much there.
All of this fits in with my perceptions.  The reason that there are so many openings is because no one wants to do the job.  Lots of people think they want the job but colleges do a poor job of preparing students for the realities of the job.  2-3 years of experience frequently results in disillusionment and career change.  It's very unfortunate because it's a critical public service.
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(09-23-2022, 02:01 PM)davewill Wrote:
(09-23-2022, 09:53 AM)Pats20 Wrote: It’s really all about choices. If you can’t live on a teachers salary than you don’t go to school for 5 years and earn a masters degree in it or you move to an area that you can live on it. $40k  a year and benefits where I live is a decent living. Would they like to make more ? Sure , who wouldn’t ?

And sure enough, they are leaving the profession in droves. They don't make a lot of money, are every other politician's favorite punching bag, and get blamed for every failing, perceived or real, in the school system by parents and administrators, despite having less and less say in how things are done in the classroom.

P.S. if $40K is a good living in your area, then I bet the teachers aren't making that much there.
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And sure enough, they are leaving the profession in droves.

Yep. Worker shortage across just about every industry. It’s not just teachers. But thats the nice thing about teachers ,They’re educated with a masters degree. They have options. 
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They don't make a lot of money, are every other politician's favorite punching bag, and get blamed for every failing, perceived or real, in the school system by parents and administrators, despite having less and less say in how things are done in the classroom.

yep. Things aren’t what they used to be. Tell me one profession that is ?

P.S. if $40K is a good living in your area, then I bet the teachers aren't making that much there.

I used the word decent. But generally speaking, yea $20 per hour is pretty dang good around here And why would I lie about it ? It’s a matter of public record. And btw most make more than that. I’d venture to say that $40k is entry level or pretty darn close. . 



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