need help with degree planning for son for Bachelor's in Business Admin or Finance

[EducationSeeker]

All degrees at UMPI require one lab science. SDC is usually the fastest/easiest/cheapest for most students, but it doesn't have to be SDC.

@rachel83az
In your earlier response, you mentioned getting a degree from UMPI. Were you referring to a Bachelor of Liberal Studies (or whatever the correct terminology is at UMPI...sorry I am a newbie) or a Bachelor of Business Administration? I figured the need for a proctored class would be the same for Bachelor of Liberal Studies or BSBA for Business, but, just wanted to make sure.

Thanks,

Education Seeker

I was referring to both. Basic degree requirements are mostly the same among UMPI degrees. There are only a few minor differences. For instance, the History degree requires 6 credits of foreign language instead of just 3.

@rachel83az

Thank you for the clarification. From what I looked at the Wiki on the UMPI page, it looks like a foreign language is a requirement to graduate? I am assuming like 2 semesters? My son took 2 years of High School Spanish so I think he would take the SDC or other foreign language provider.

Is there any Bachelor's degree at UMPI that does *not* have a foreign language requirement?

Does the TESU BALS or BSBA have a foreign language requirement?

Thanks,

Education Seeker

[rachel83az]

Sophia has Spanish and is non-proctored. That's good enough for all UMPI degrees except for history.

TESU does not have a foreign language requirement.

[EducationSeeker]

With TESU, you can get a BALS with no proctoring. For a business degree, you can come really close. I think you would need 4-8 Study.com courses, depending on the degree. It also depends on how the Coursera certificates come in: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Coursera These are not proctored, and you might be able to get a general management BSBA by utilizing multiple certificates.

For UMPI, he'd need one proctored exam: Biology 101L from Study.com. Everything else can come from Sophia, Coursera, or papers written at UMPI. But your son would need to be at least 20 years of age.

@rachel83az

Thank you for very helpful information and quick reply. 

For Study.com, based on other replies to this thread, it utilizes a recorded video proctoring software? 

So, it sounds like for the TESU Business Administration degree, depending on the Coursera certificates, he would need a max of 8 video recorded exams (depending on how many exams are required for the course? I am assuming it is just one pass/fail exam)? Sorry for all the questions, but, the concept of video proctoring is really new to me and pretty new to him. When I got my bachelors degree in the late 90s and MBA in the early 2000s, I was still doing in person traditional butt in seat classes.

For the Biology 101L from Study.com required for UMPI, I am assuming the "L" in the course name is a lab class and this would meet a Science with a lab general education requirement? Is Biology 101L the only allowable science requirement? He actually took a Weather course with a Lab. He met the requirement for taking the Weather course, but, failed or dropped the Lab because he blew it off and didn't attend the number of needed sessions to pass it. I am thinking about having him take just the lab portion of the Weather class at YSU this Fall, but, it sounds like it might be quicker and cheaper to take the Biology 101L course? YSU charges about $400 a credit hour and this would be over a 15 week semester. 

Conversely, my guess is that the Study.com BIO 101L course could likely be completed in under 1 month with a Study.com subscription that would be like $200 or less and could also pay for other course requirements. Would you recommend he take the Biology 101L even though he has a Weather course?

He is 20 and will be 21 in August so he meets the age requirement for UMPI. From a cost comparison standpoint, it sounds like the Bachelors in Business from UMPI would cost about $2500-3000 and a Bachelor's degree in Finance would be roughly about $4000?

Thanks,

Education Seeker

Yes, SDC is a recorded video proctor. During the exam, the webcam will record a video of the student taking the exam. They do not take video of you completing lessons or anything like that. Each SDC course needs ONE exam (same with Davar, Coopersmith, StraighterLine, etc. Just one exam) plus quizzes and possibly an assignment. 

I haven't done a breakdown of exactly how many SDC courses you NEED to get a TESU BSBA. So I may be off by a bit. Your best bet would be to make a spreadsheet utilizing information from the wiki. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ts_Roadmap That way you can prioritize the non-video proctored courses from Sophia. 

Another thing I forgot is that Davar allows you to choose your own proctor. You can use a live video proctor, a recorded video proctor, or you can get a librarian, priest, etc. (non-family member) to register as a proctor. Then you can take your exams without any video at all, only a standard in-person proctor. So, if he's okay with going somewhere for exams, that could be an option.

Biology 101L does indeed stand for biology with lab. The other option from SDC is Chemistry with lab, and I've heard that one can be a challenge. I forgot that he could also do a lab science from ASU. They have a couple of Biology courses and an Environmental Science course that should be non-proctored. He will need at least one biology course and one physical science course. The lab can be for either the biology or physical science. Most students here are able to complete Biology 101L in 2-3 weeks, but a few have needed a bit longer than a month to complete the lab. 

If you're only doing the science class at SDC, once you account for the lab fees, there is not a huge cost difference between SDC, ASU, and the YSU lab you mentioned. He should pick the lab science that interests him the most. He might want to sign up for ASU this week to audit BIO100 that started yesterday. If he signs up now, he should still be able to audit it. It is FREE to audit the course (or you can upgrade for $25; only pay the remaining $400 if you decide to transcript the course), and he can see if he likes the format.

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I'd like to take a moment to remind everyone that remote proctoring is not much different or "creepy" than in-person proctoring, which we've all been doing since forever.  If you've sat in a class and taken a test, and your teacher is there, that's in-person proctoring.  Yes, they are watching you take a test.

Remote proctoring is VERY different than a professor being in the same room with you. There's more to it as well. I never had to show my driver's license and have it stored on some database God knows where to take an exam in a classroom. I have experience with Examity and never again. I will not take classes with proctoring again. Examity was an absolute nightmare. They wanted me to turn off my ac because of the noise. They wanted me to tell my neighbor to stop mowing his lawn because of the noise. The wanted me turn my clear glass of water upside down so they could see that it was a clear glass. What kind of moron asks that? They interrupt you while you're taking the exam. They are very difficult to understand as English is not their first language. It was a horrible experience.

I am so glad that RPNow (used by SDC) is not like that! ProctorU can be pretty bad, but I've never heard of anything that bad. Thankfully, not all video proctors are the same. I wouldn't want to touch Examity, though.

@rachel83az

To clarify your earlier commend on the Biology 101 Lab (or other Science classes) for UMPI, my son has taken Astronomy (non-lab class) and has taken Weather, but, he still needs to take the Weather Lab (he blew Weather Lab class off and dropped the class). So, aside from the fact that the Weather Lab is over a 15 week semester (which is really LONG compared to taking Biology 101 Lab from SDC, would the Weather and Weather Lab course along with Astronomy from YSU meet his Science Lab and Physical Science UMPI requirements for the GEC for the BSBA or BS Liberal Studies (or if it is called BALS...their a lot of acronyms on Degree Forum) or not?

Thanks,

Education Seeker

[rachel83az]

If he already has a weather class, he does not need another physical science class. He needs a biological science class. He can take Human Biology from Sophia + the Weather Lab to complete his science requirements.

He can take Biology101L from Study.com and complete his science requirements.

He can take a biology class from ASU and complete his science requirements.

He can take environmental science from ASU + Human Biology from Sophia and complete his science requirements.

[EducationSeeker]

I think my son can take the Biology 101 plus the Lab or will take the Biology 101 course only plus the Weather Lab from YSU. Since the Weather Lab is 15 weeks, I think the Biology 101 Lab from Study.com that might take at most 1 month to complete seems like a much better use of time.

Thanks,

Education Seeker

[dfrecore]

I think my son can take the Biology 101 plus the Lab or will take the Biology 101 course only plus the Weather Lab from YSU. Since the Weather Lab is 15 weeks, I think the Biology 101 Lab from Study.com that might take at most 1 month to complete seems like a much better use of time.

Thanks,

Education Seeker

Just an FYI, BABA, BLS, doesn't matter for the GEC at UMPI (so, the General Education Curriculum).  It's basically the same for all degrees.

You need a physical science (like Astronomy, Earth Science, Weather, Environmental Science, Chem, Physics, etc.) and a Biological Science (like Bio, A&P, Nutrition, etc.). One of those courses must have a corresponding lab.  So you have lots of options.

[EducationSeeker]

Rachel,
I am planning my son's potential class schedule and degree plan and I am wondering if the Biology Lab class offered from ASU is proctored? Aside from the Biology class according to what you mentioned, none of the other remaining Gen Ed classes or regular business classes would need proctored?
Thanks,
Education Seeker

[rachel83az]

Rachel,
I am planning my son's potential class schedule and degree plan and I am wondering if the Biology Lab class offered from ASU is proctored? Aside from the Biology class according to what you mentioned, none of the other remaining Gen Ed classes or regular business classes would need proctored?
Thanks,
Education Seeker

BIO-100 The Living World and SES-106 Habitable Worlds are not proctored. Instead of being proctored, you are expected to do approximately 1-2 hours of work every day. If you do more than that, you can finish sooner. But you have to finish the course before the deadline.

[EducationSeeker]

Rachel,
I am planning my son's potential class schedule and degree plan and I am wondering if the Biology Lab class offered from ASU is proctored? Aside from the Biology class according to what you mentioned, none of the other remaining Gen Ed classes or regular business classes would need proctored?
Thanks,
Education Seeker

BIO-100 The Living World and SES-106 Habitable Worlds are not proctored. Instead of being proctored, you are expected to do approximately 1-2 hours of work every day. If you do more than that, you can finish sooner. But you have to finish the course before the deadline.

Rachel83az

I am going to utilize the TESU BSBA spreadsheet degree plan bjcheung (and others) created along with the UMPI degree plan in this thread. I am starting to design my son's degree plan over the next several weeks. If I am understanding your post back on 6/22/22, you mentioned my son would only have to take *one* proctored science lab course (i.e. BIO101L from SDC) or the ASU non-proctored course? If he takes the non-proctored BIO100 The Living World and/or SES106 Habitable Worlds, it sounds like he would have *no* proctored courses for UMPI BSBA (or BABA) or BALS? Sorry if I am getting the acronym wrong, but, I mean a Bachelor's of Business or Liberal Studies? Is this correct?

If so, it seems like UMPI would be the least expensive, potentially quickest option, with the least amount of proctored exams.

EducationSeeker

[rachel83az]

Rachel,
I am planning my son's potential class schedule and degree plan and I am wondering if the Biology Lab class offered from ASU is proctored? Aside from the Biology class according to what you mentioned, none of the other remaining Gen Ed classes or regular business classes would need proctored?
Thanks,
Education Seeker

BIO-100 The Living World and SES-106 Habitable Worlds are not proctored. Instead of being proctored, you are expected to do approximately 1-2 hours of work every day. If you do more than that, you can finish sooner. But you have to finish the course before the deadline.

Rachel83az

I am going to utilize the TESU BSBA spreadsheet degree plan bjcheung (and others) created along with the UMPI degree plan in this thread. I am starting to design my son's degree plan over the next several weeks. If I am understanding your post back on 6/22/22, you mentioned my son would only have to take *one* proctored science lab course (i.e. BIO101L from SDC) or the ASU non-proctored course? If he takes the non-proctored BIO100 The Living World and/or SES106 Habitable Worlds, it sounds like he would have *no* proctored courses for UMPI BSBA (or BABA) or BALS? Sorry if I am getting the acronym wrong, but, I mean a Bachelor's of Business or Liberal Studies? Is this correct?

If so, it seems like UMPI would be the least expensive, potentially quickest option, with the least amount of proctored exams.

EducationSeeker

Yes, you are correct. If he does the non-proctored BIO100 or SES106 from ASU, he would have no proctored exams. 

He will also need Chemistry or Environmental Science from Sophia to complete his science requirements. Environmental Science is super easy, so no need to do Chemistry unless he really enjoys that subject.