online DHSc, NO Dissertation or Capstone, EVMS?

[bjcheung77]

Accreditation standards need to be followed, there are private/non-profit, plus the for-profits, and/or public institutions at the community college level up to research university level that have issues with one or more areas, they are placed into an accreditation issues list or probation warning period until they've got those resolved. An example was one of the community colleges we recommended, LUNA (for their online classes such as the sciences). Some other NA or RA institutions, and even WGU at a time was looked at for their competency based degree offerings, I remember a few schools shut down their CBE offerings because of that...

[sanantone]

From a patient's perspective, I would be wary of a nurse practitioner marketing themself as doctor, especially if the doctorate isn't a clinical one. I wouldn't be impressed at all by a DBA, DHA, etc. How does a business doctorate help you help me? Plus, less-informed patients might think you're a physician or, at the very least, have advanced nurse practitioner training. A clinically-focused DNP would be somewhat impressive, but not one focused on leadership, education, informatics, etc.

Since you are interested in increasing your business knowledge, you can kill two birds with one stone with a DHA, which will be a lot cheaper and faster than a DBA. I think you did the right thing by withdrawing from VUL. If the school loses accreditation or goes out of business, it will tarnish your resume making it a waste of time and money.

[Stonybeach]

Don't worry! It has been beaten into the RN, NP and PAs head not to use the title "doctor" in clinical practice. It is okay in the academic world but not the clinic and those that have, have had discipline hearings, fines, etc. This really should be common knowledge, and thanks for bringing it up. That is why I specifically mentioned the term "post-nominals," which nurses tend to have a very long list after their name.

[sanantone]

Don't worry! It has been beaten into the NP and PAs head not to use the title "doctor" in clinical practice. It is okay in the academic world but not the clinic and those that have, have had discipline hearings, fines, etc.

Then, I should probably report a practice I used to go to. LOL. I knew I was going to see a nurse practitioner, but I thought the clinic was headed by a physician. It turns out that he has a PhD. On his clinic's website, he uses the doctor title. I had to dig to find out what his PhD is in: nursing. I still don't know where he went to school, and some of the practitioner websites have MD behind his name. One of his NPs also missed an obvious diagnosis, which didn't help my bias against Walden MSNs.

[lookingformore1]

No clinical DNP (that I know of).  LMU has an option for PA’s, see below.
What recommendations for DHA programs excluding VUL?
What recommendations for DBH? Cummings is a potential option, DBH could sync well with psych.

You don’t use the word “doctor”. You put on your website the truth, that you are doctorally prepared or completed doctoral studies.  This does carry weight with patients

https://www.lmunet.edu/school-of-medical...curriculum

*sorry to hear about your experience. I’m double boarded as a FNP/PMHNP. The additional family/internal medicine knowledge helps a lot though you are probably more comfortable with a MD at this point

[Stonybeach]

Don't worry! It has been beaten into the NP and PAs head not to use the title "doctor" in clinical practice. It is okay in the academic world but not the clinic and those that have, have had discipline hearings, fines, etc.

Then, I should probably report a practice I used to go to. LOL. I knew I was going to see a nurse practitioner, but I thought the clinic was headed by a physician. It turns out that he has a PhD. On his clinic's website, he uses the doctor title. I had to dig to find out what his PhD is in: nursing. I still don't know where he went to school, and some of the practitioner websites have MD behind his name. One of his NPs also missed an obvious diagnosis, which didn't help my bias against Walden MSNs.

I should clarify that my State has laws against using the title "doctor" in the clinical setting and healthcare facilities have policies. The USA is a big country so you should probably check the statutory laws in your state. I do agree it is misleading to use the term "doctor" for PAs and NPs. I have seen PhDs in microbiology, fertility medicine, oncology, research use the title "doctor" in the clinical setting, and they were not MDs.

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No clinical DNP (that I know of).  LMU has an option for PA’s, see below.
What recommendations for DHA programs excluding VUL?
What recommendations for DBH? Cummings is a potential option, DBH could sync well with psych.

You don’t use the word “doctor”. You put on your website the truth, that you are doctorally prepared or completed doctoral studies.  This does carry weight with patients

https://www.lmunet.edu/school-of-medical...curriculum

*sorry to hear about your experience. I’m double boarded as a FNP/PMHNP. The additional family/internal medicine knowledge helps a lot though you are probably more comfortable with a MD at this point

Thanks! I will mention LMU to my colleagues. I wish I had the energy to add the PMHNP but I am burnt out. Back to drinking some more eggnog.

[sanantone]

No clinical DNP (that I know of).  LMU has an option for PA’s, see below.
What recommendations for DHA programs excluding VUL?
What recommendations for DBH? Cummings is a potential option, DBH could sync well with psych.

You don’t use the word “doctor”. You put on your website the truth, that you are doctorally prepared or completed doctoral studies.  This does carry weight with patients

https://www.lmunet.edu/school-of-medical...curriculum

*sorry to hear about your experience. I’m double boarded as a FNP/PMHNP. The additional family/internal medicine knowledge helps a lot though you are probably more comfortable with a MD at this point

I'm fine with NPs who've gone to decent schools and don't mislead patients. 

The DMSc was created because a lobbying group thought they could get a state to allow PAs to practice independently. Since that failed, you now have newer DMSc programs that are not practice-based. There are clinically-focused DNP programs, but they're for nurses who aren't already nurse practitioners. Isn't there a plan to make the DNP the entry to practice? 

I, honestly, don't see the difference between getting a DHA or management-focused DNP, except I think the curriculum for this DNP is far superior to the curriculum at VUL. 

https://online.ua.edu/degrees/doctor-of-...ctice-dnp/

Oklahoma State University is the only regionally accredited DHA that I know of that doesn't have a dissertation or capstone.

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Don't worry! It has been beaten into the NP and PAs head not to use the title "doctor" in clinical practice. It is okay in the academic world but not the clinic and those that have, have had discipline hearings, fines, etc.

Then, I should probably report a practice I used to go to. LOL. I knew I was going to see a nurse practitioner, but I thought the clinic was headed by a physician. It turns out that he has a PhD. On his clinic's website, he uses the doctor title. I had to dig to find out what his PhD is in: nursing. I still don't know where he went to school, and some of the practitioner websites have MD behind his name. One of his NPs also missed an obvious diagnosis, which didn't help my bias against Walden MSNs.

I should clarify that my State has laws against using the title "doctor" in the clinical setting and healthcare facilities have policies. The USA is a big country so you should probably check the statutory laws in your state. I do agree it is misleading to use the term "doctor" for PAs and NPs. I have seen PhDs in microbiology, fertility medicine, oncology, research use the title "doctor" in the clinical setting, and they were not MDs.

Scientists conducting research in hospitals are not treating and diagnosing patients, though. I wouldn't mind seeing a PhD run a clinical trial. I almost took a clinical trial manager position with my doctorate, but I decided to stay where I'm at.

[Stonybeach]

I see Arizona State University has an online DBH but it looks $$$. https://asuonline.asu.edu/online-degree-...anagement/

Also https://fhu.edu/academics/graduate/gradu...al-health/
but not sure if 100 percent online???

[sanantone]

I see Arizona State University has an online DBH but it looks $$$. https://asuonline.asu.edu/online-degree-...anagement/

Also https://fhu.edu/academics/graduate/gradu...al-health/
but not sure if 100 percent online???

The OP posted about ASU's DBH in the thread Bjcheung linked to. They said it was too expensive. It should be noted that ASU transfers credits from your master's degree, so it's not as expensive as it seems. It's still expensive but not high five figures expensive.

[Jonathan Whatley]

Cummings Graduate Institute is nationally accredited (by the DEAC), not regionally accredited (likewise VUL, by TRACS), in case regional accreditation specifically is important in a use case for you.