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June Graduation @ TESC! Whose with me! Helpful TESC tips |
Posted by: kevinmanemane - 05-08-2011, 04:40 PM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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So even though I finished the credits earlier this year, it took about 4 months to get everything in order - but i FINALLY got a confirmation letter that I would be receiving my BA in Liberal Studies Degree in the mail sometime in June.
So that's awesome.
What's not so awesome is all the trouble I had to go through with TESC and Prometric (the CLEP & DSST Military Administrator).
What happened was, after the two months that it took TESC to evaluate my credits, I realized they counted my English CLEP as only 3 credits when it should have been 6.
So I notified them and they asked me to resend a new transcript.
Well, its 30$ for Prometric to send a new transcript - so I said - "Well - ill just enroll, finish my credits, and then send em ALL to you when you update the credits a final time."
Very well.
So i assumed that was going to be the only glitch for the mission.
WRONG!
After verifying THREE times with TESC that I only needed to pay the RESIDENT enrollment fee of $1550 (instead of the $2800 fee -im in the military - im supposed to get the discount), the day AFTER i drop down that huge amount - i get an email stating, "You paid the resident fee. You must pay us 1300 more since you are not a New Jersey resident and you are not in the military"
Really?
Did you not notice that my email address ends in @us.af.mil (like... United States Air Force. Military ADDRESS!?)
LOL
Anyways - so because I saved all 3 of those emails where it confirmed i would only have to pay the resident fee, i emailed EVERYBODY - the registars, the admissions, and the bursars office and demanded confirmation immediately that i was all paid up and good.
2 days later - they all confirmed.
Yay!
So i finished the final 9 credits and had Prometric send them in.
2 more months later as its nearing the April deadline for the June graduation - i notice that nothings been updated yet in the evaluation
I email EVERYBODY once again - i didnt wanna take any chances after 2 days of them saying "oh - this is admissions - this needs to go to the bursars" "oh - this is bursars - this was supposed to go to the registrars" and so on.
So i get hit back 2 days later: "We received your transcript but there was nothing new on it."
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PROMETRIC!!
What did you DO!?!
I hit up Prometric - they did mess up and sent in the wrong transcript.
B@st@rds! I thought.
So they sent over the right transcripts this time and i was like "Well that sux cuz now for SURE im not gonna make the June deadline"
But fortunately, there was a chick over there that i cant name her name i dont think - but she was awesome and she totally hooked me up with an immediate evaluation and June graduation confirmation.
Awesome!
So - i had to go through a lot of leaps and bounds that were NOT fun - but I got through it.
So heres some advice to anybody that will ever have to deal with TESC.
First off - SAVE EVERY EMAIL YOU GET AND EVERY EMAIL YOU HAVE SENT TO THEM!
when they said, "we dont have any record of you asking us about the resident enrollment fee"
I emailed them 3 emails i saved - both sent and received!
in yo FAYCE! I said.
So save em.
second - BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOURE ASKING FOR.
A lot of the staff there has to deal and email thousands of people a day - they wanna just get you on the "resolved issue" list. So if you just ask like:
"Its been 3 months - whats the status of my evaluation"
theyll write the standard:
"It takes up to 6 business weeks to receive transcripts and another 6 business weeks to evaluate them"
Instead - you need to be like
"Hello. My name is Bob Loblaw. I submitted my credits to be evaluated on June 15, 2010. I received confirmation that you received these transcripts on August 1, 2010. It is now November 3, 2010 - 6 weeks over the 6-week deadline for you to have evaluated my credits. May I ask what is the status of my evaluation.
Student ID # 04582920"
Third: EMAIL EVERYBODY EVEN IF YOU KNOW ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO GO TO THEM!
They will make a habit just to get you off their back that they will forward your message to someone else so that it will come back to them eventually when theyre not as busy. DONT LET EM! Instead, when you email everybody - all the other departments will not be wanting to receive all these emails that they MAKE the right department answer you back quicker rather than them getting bugged all the time with stuff thats not their issue.
So email Human Resources - email the Library - email everybody with your admissions issues - youll get an answer QUICK from the right person.
And lastly: BE FIRM WITH THEM IN YOUR WORDS!
Realize that these guys are from Jah-SAY (New Jersey) - not to be offensive, but these guys are just a little more not interested in how they sound in their tone when they talk or email you. You make think theyre rude - and maybe they are - so be rude right back. Talk to them in the same way theyre talking to you. To be honest, people generally understand other people better that act and sound like them.
I know i sounded like a jerk, but i got the info i needed.
So dont worry about being like
"Hi there, SIR! If you don't mind, I have question..."
Thats a no-no.
Instead, say,
"HeY! Answer this for me now."
Believe me - itll save time.
And thats all
so i got my BA
going on to Grad school for English in the Spring 2012 - so i cancelled my Instantcert subscription - im good til 6/2/2011.
So its been nice working with everybody - thank you for all your help. i would name people but so many have helped me i dont wanna leave anybody out.
Anyways - thanx a bunch everybody!
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Nervous about macro- and microeconomics CLEPs |
Posted by: commdiver - 05-08-2011, 12:57 PM - Forum: General Education-Related Discussion
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I will be taking both, with a few days of each other, shortly after June 20. I took AP Microeconomics in high school, but got a "C" and a "2" on the AP exam. In my defense, the teacher had no clue what he was doing (he was not allowed to teach the class again the year after), and the only students who understood anything were the 4.0 GPA types.
I have the following on my agenda:
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Economics
The Power of Economics PowerPoint slides
The Standard Deviants DVDs for both subjects
5 Steps to a 5 AP Microeconomics and Macroeconomics
InstantCert
Peterson's practice CLEPs
It seems like a lot to me, but after my bad experience in high school, I am worried. I go to a four-year college which requires at least a 60 to receive credit (no difference is made between a "60" and anything above it). Worst case scenario, I fail both CLEPs and have to take the classes during the summer, but I still want to do well and avoid those summer classes. Is the studying material enough? Are my planned six weeks of studying time enough?
I am reading the The Complete Idiot's Guide to Economics right now and actually find it interesting, so maybe that is a good sign.
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TESC eval question |
Posted by: Mian - 05-08-2011, 10:46 AM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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Can any of you tell me what these mean:
!! Exception
Over in Acctg and Acctg Electives
Under in Comp Lit
7 sh req
!! Exception
Over in Bus electives
4 sh req
!! Exception
1 sh over in Nat Science
20 sh req
Also, their automatic system seems to have given me more than the 80CC credits they claim to allow (looks like it gave me 94 of them). Is this going to stand when it comes time to apply for graduation or will they say I need more classes because I have too many CC credits?
Finally, there doesn't seem to be any indication that it had problems with the age of my credits. I wonder if this means their automated system doesn't check for that or if some of the later credits managed to "demonstrate currency"? This is another thing I wonder about in terms of when it comes time to apply for graduation.
Thanks for any insight you might have on this!
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Masters Degree? |
Posted by: rafi89 - 05-08-2011, 09:50 AM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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Hi,
I just completed my requirements for a bachelors of science in the liberal arts with excelsior. I pretty much tested out of the whole thing. Im wondering if there are masters programs offered by one of the "big three" (excelsior is preferred) which i can similarly test out of (by using tests like CLEPs)
I really know nothing about the topic, so details would be appreciated.
Thank you!
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Happy Mothers Day |
Posted by: skyfall123 - 05-08-2011, 06:30 AM - Forum: Off Topic
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Thank you to all of the wonderful, devoted and hard working mom's out there!!!
My mom was a polio victim (caught it before the vaccine was made public) who despite her disability and disfigurement never complained and raised four kids on her teachers salary. Thanks mom.
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Charter Oak Cornerstone Course Review |
Posted by: rebel100 - 05-08-2011, 01:15 AM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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Finished this first 8 weeks of last semester. I have seen some questions about it, so I thought I would throw up a post on the topic.
Cornerstone (IDS101) was not all that difficult, but there is a decent bit of writing to be done. You develope a CPS or Concentration Plan of Study as a part of the course. this details exactly what courses you need to take, how and where you will take them, and how the degree concentration will help you meet your personal goals etc...
You also do library/research activities weekly and do little projects and such. You must post on the class bulletin board weekly (3x's I think). Most of these projects are pretty quick, a couple are a little involved. You tackle issues like proper MLA or APA citation, how to research a topic, a little on developing your writing ability, and just a little grammer and sentence structure.
In addition to your CPA which is completed for a grade then forwarded to a board for formal approval you must also complete one big research project related to your degree. I think this was a 5-8 page typed double spaced paper (if memory serves). Both the CPA and the final paper require a rough draft submission and a final submission. The instructor wants to see you work, to see a difference between your rough draft and your final. To see the progression.
I like to write and did not find the course particularly difficult, someone with weak or rusty English skills might find it more challenging. The most difficult part for me was the relatively regimanted assignment schedule. I hate deadlines, tend to chafe at being told when something is to be done, and I struggled with that in this class. Most of my assignments were completed the day they were due, usually with just hours or minutes to spare. I payed for that earning a "B" in the class.
The instructor was excellent, really a nice guy. I think the class was instrumental in getting my head back into the academic writing style. I took three intensive writing courses at Colorado State Pueblo just after finishing the Cornerstone course and i can say the Cornerstone was great practice for the courses that followed. If your going the CSU route skip MLA and use APA for everything, it seems to be the citation and style "choice" for them.
Going in, I was not happy about the expense in time and money that this course cost me. Turns out it was time and money well spent.
One could theoretically take this first 8 weeks and a Capstone last 8 weeks (or last 5 weeks). I suspect the Cornerstone would be excellent preperation for the Capstone.
Reb,
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The reason most respectable colleges don't list majors on diplomas... |
Posted by: UGAChemDawg - 05-07-2011, 11:24 PM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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The reason that most colleges do not list your major on your diploma is simply because it is technically incorrect to do so. Colleges are accredited to award generic bachleors degrees (B.A. or B.S.) only. That is as far as the regional accreditation body's concern goes. In traditional, liberal arts disciplines like history, biology, psychology, etc., the content of the area of study within that degree is entirely up to the individual college. There is usually no separate accreditation for specific subjects unless they are professional subjects that are regulated by the government and are bound by law to meet additional requirements above and beyond what the regional accrediting agency requires (for example, engineering programs have to answer to ABET, nursing programs answer to NLNAC or CCNE, etc.) In that case, the degree will be a NAMED DEGREE signifying that it meets the standards imposed by the special professional accreditation body in addition to the ones imposed by the regional accreditation body.
So, if you go to XYZ accredited state university, regardless of whether or not they call their main area of study within a degree program a major or a concentration, the major or concentration is NOT part of the degree title and really shouldn't be listed as such. That may come as a shock to most people, but it's true.
If you go to the University of Georgia and major in Political Science, you do not have a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. You have a Bachelor of Arts with a major in Political Science. So, your diploma will say Bachelor of Arts, because that is the degree that the school has the authority to confer. Your major is not part of your degree title and so is not included. There is no such thing as a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science degree at UGA, so they're not going to put a wrong degree name on their certificate that announces to the world that you earned a degree from them.
Contrast this with a B.S.N. If a nurse earns her B.S.N. from an accredited school of nursing, the diploma will say "Bachelor of Science in Nursing." This signifies the extra level of accreditation that the nursing program enjoys. This is not the equivalent of putting a major on a diploma. The nurse does not have a Bachelor of Science with a major in Nursing in the same way that a biologist has a Bachelor of Science with a major in Biology. Rather, the nurse actually has a Bachelor of Science in Nursing. That is the formal name of the degree.
When colleges do list majors and concentrations (some even go so far as to list minors, which is quite tacky, if you ask me) on the diploma, they generally do not do so by using "IN" to join the formal degree title with the major. For example, Penn State puts majors on diplomas, but if you major in, say, Russian, your diploma will not say "Bachelor of Arts in Russian" it will say "Bachelor of Arts awarded with the completion of a major in Russian on this whatever day of year of our lord whenever"). If you major in a traditional liberal arts discipline vs a professional discipline like nursing, engineering, or accounting, your major is almost never a formal part of the title of your degree.
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Help me stop my cousin from getting a worthless degree! |
Posted by: UGAChemDawg - 05-07-2011, 08:03 PM - Forum: [ARCHIVE] Excelsior, Thomas Edison, and Charter Oak Specific Discussion
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My little cousin was recently given a full "scholarship" to study biochemistry at the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.
I call upon the good people of the Instacert Forums to help me talk some sense into her and show her that she is making the biggest mistake of her life.
For one thing, these frauds don't even offer majors! Look at it right there on their website:
LSA Concentrations - Office of the Registrar
List of CONCENTRATIONS! Concentration in Chemistry! Concentration in History! You don't actually end up with a degree in Biochemistry, you end up with a Bachelor of Science with a concentration in Biochemistry!
Which leads me to my next point about this worthless diploma mill:
These non-major concentration thingies aren't even printed on the diploma
Google Image Result for http://www.shomaristone.com/images/shoma...a_lrti.jpg
Look at that! Bachelor of Arts! I can't tell from looking at his diploma if this dude's degree is in History or Basketweaving.
A degree from this place isn't worth the paper that it's printed on.
I told her about Excelsior and how, if she went there instead she would actually earn a Bachelor of Science *IN* Something (sure they don't have a biochemistry major, but she could MAJOR in biology and throw in a couple chem courses and it would be better than having a concentration in biochemistry). Not to mention, she'd actually get a real diploma. One that has the MAJOR (which she won't get at Michigan) spelled out in big, bold letters.
I'm just so scared for her future. She is about to throw away the best years of her life getting a piece of paper that no employer will take seriously and no graduate school will accept. And the Big House is a toilet bowl and Ohio State still owns Michigan anyway. :*(
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