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RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - sanantone - 11-29-2018
(11-29-2018, 08:05 AM)vetvso Wrote: I don't see them listed in ACE or am I missing something. Under the FAQ I saw no credit but mayabe NCCRS?
Hillsdale is a regionally accredited college; they don't need ACE or NCCRS. However, these free courses are not for-credit. They're MOOCs. They're no different from taking courses through Coursera or edX, except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - vetvso - 11-29-2018
(11-29-2018, 09:19 AM)MNomadic Wrote:(11-29-2018, 08:05 AM)vetvso Wrote: I don't see them listed in ACE or am I missing something. Under the FAQ I saw no credit but mayabe NCCRS?
They're not ACE or NCCRS approved as far as I can tell. So one would only be taking the courses for fun.
Someone could do a PLA only then if they had funding for the classes.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - dfrecore - 11-29-2018
(11-29-2018, 11:07 AM)vetvso Wrote:(11-29-2018, 09:19 AM)MNomadic Wrote:(11-29-2018, 08:05 AM)vetvso Wrote: I don't see them listed in ACE or am I missing something. Under the FAQ I saw no credit but mayabe NCCRS?
They're not ACE or NCCRS approved as far as I can tell. So one would only be taking the courses for fun.
Someone could do a PLA only then if they had funding for the classes.
This might actually be a great option for English majors. There are a bunch of Lit courses that you could use, along with other resources, to do some UL PLA's for the credit needed to complete the degree.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - Life Long Learning - 11-29-2018
(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - sanantone - 11-30-2018
(11-29-2018, 09:08 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
Based on their hiring requirements. They are very restrictive on what philosophy you must subscribe to. That not only weeds out great candidates with varying views, but it runs off great candidates who agree with them because they don't want to be in an environment that lacks academic freedom. If you're a very capable teacher, you're likely going to take a job at one of the better liberal arts colleges.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - dfrecore - 11-30-2018
(11-30-2018, 03:02 AM)sanantone Wrote:(11-29-2018, 09:08 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
Based on their hiring requirements. They are very restrictive on what philosophy you must subscribe to. That not only weeds out great candidates with varying views, but it runs off great candidates who agree with them because they don't want to be in an environment that lacks academic freedom. If you're a very capable teacher, you're likely going to take a job at one of the better liberal arts colleges.
If you're not a liberal professor, then your chances of getting hired or being able to do well professionally at any other college is not good. My friend's daughter is a brilliant college student and plans to go into teaching. She is VERY conservative. She's applying to PhD programs right now, and has said that she won't say one word about her actual thoughts on anything,, because she knows that not only won't she be able to teach, she won't be able to get into a program. So she just keeps her mouth shut no matter what her liberal professors and the other students spew. She said she MAY be able to open her mouth someday when she's tenured. MAYBE.
So to say that other colleges hire candidates with varying views is a complete joke. They do NOT. You must subscribe to their liberal philosophies, no matter what. Maybe not as an adjunct, but certainly if you want to work there full-time.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - sanantone - 11-30-2018
(11-30-2018, 10:23 AM)dfrecore Wrote:(11-30-2018, 03:02 AM)sanantone Wrote:(11-29-2018, 09:08 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
Based on their hiring requirements. They are very restrictive on what philosophy you must subscribe to. That not only weeds out great candidates with varying views, but it runs off great candidates who agree with them because they don't want to be in an environment that lacks academic freedom. If you're a very capable teacher, you're likely going to take a job at one of the better liberal arts colleges.
If you're not a liberal professor, then your chances of getting hired or being able to do well professionally at any other college is not good. My friend's daughter is a brilliant college student and plans to go into teaching. She is VERY conservative. She's applying to PhD programs right now, and has said that she won't say one word about her actual thoughts on anything,, because she knows that not only won't she be able to teach, she won't be able to get into a program. So she just keeps her mouth shut no matter what her liberal professors and the other students spew. She said she MAY be able to open her mouth someday when she's tenured. MAYBE.
So to say that other colleges hire candidates with varying views is a complete joke. They do NOT. You must subscribe to their liberal philosophies, no matter what. Maybe not as an adjunct, but certainly if you want to work there full-time.
That is not true. The top universities hire conservative professors all the time; there just aren't as many conservatives interested in academic research. This is proven by surveys of the overall political leanings of scientists in inside and outside of academia.
Search committees mainly look for these things: research in an area the school specializes in, research in an area the school is lacking in, the number of articles published in quality journals, teaching experience, and the pedigree of the school where the doctorate was earned. Honestly, no one should be able to decipher your political leanings from your research. If they can, then you have a problem.
When I taught classes, neither my students nor my clients could accurately describe my political leanings. Some of them assumed that I was conservative because of the way I carry myself and my previous jobs in law enforcement, but I'm clearly not.
When I applied to my PhD program, my essay said nothing about my political views. I would guess that a quarter to a third of the students in my doctoral program are conservative, and some of my professors are conservative. Liberals are only a majority because they're the majority attracted to social science. All but one of my professors in my master's program were conservative.
There are some issues on which I'm center-right. I'm pro-life, and it never came up in my law class when we were discussing Roe v. Wade. I wasn't afraid of expressing my views; they were just irrelevant. The pro-choice people didn't talk about their views either. All we needed to know was the rationale behind the ruling.
Regarding the new Texas law that allows students to carry weapons on campus, many of my ultra-liberal classmates were freaking out. I felt very comfortable in explaining why I was neutral on the issue, wasn't uncomfortable with students carrying guns, and saying that I might start carrying a gun myself.
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - Life Long Learning - 11-30-2018
(11-30-2018, 10:23 AM)dfrecore Wrote:(11-30-2018, 03:02 AM)sanantone Wrote:(11-29-2018, 09:08 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
Based on their hiring requirements. They are very restrictive on what philosophy you must subscribe to. That not only weeds out great candidates with varying views, but it runs off great candidates who agree with them because they don't want to be in an environment that lacks academic freedom. If you're a very capable teacher, you're likely going to take a job at one of the better liberal arts colleges.
If you're not a liberal professor, then your chances of getting hired or being able to do well professionally at any other college is not good. My friend's daughter is a brilliant college student and plans to go into teaching. She is VERY conservative. She's applying to PhD programs right now, and has said that she won't say one word about her actual thoughts on anything,, because she knows that not only won't she be able to teach, she won't be able to get into a program. So she just keeps her mouth shut no matter what her liberal professors and the other students spew. She said she MAY be able to open her mouth someday when she's tenured. MAYBE.
So to say that other colleges hire candidates with varying views is a complete joke. They do NOT. You must subscribe to their liberal philosophies, no matter what. Maybe not as an adjunct, but certainly if you want to work there full-time.
The lack of “ideological diversity,” in college these days is sad. Mindless groupthink. Kids are taught what to think not how to think.
The new Harvard President Bacow talked about the lack of “ideological diversity,” at universities and out-of-touch with the rest of America. Governor Charlie Baker proved that 100% at Harvard speaking right before President Bacow.
Harvard University Presidential Inauguration of Lawrence S. Bacow | October 5, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlDUyfTHj4
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - sanantone - 11-30-2018
(11-30-2018, 05:06 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-30-2018, 10:23 AM)dfrecore Wrote:(11-30-2018, 03:02 AM)sanantone Wrote:(11-29-2018, 09:08 PM)Life Long Learning Wrote:(11-29-2018, 10:01 AM)sanantone Wrote: vetvso
except Hillsdale's professors are intentionally mediocre.
How do you know that?
Based on their hiring requirements. They are very restrictive on what philosophy you must subscribe to. That not only weeds out great candidates with varying views, but it runs off great candidates who agree with them because they don't want to be in an environment that lacks academic freedom. If you're a very capable teacher, you're likely going to take a job at one of the better liberal arts colleges.
If you're not a liberal professor, then your chances of getting hired or being able to do well professionally at any other college is not good. My friend's daughter is a brilliant college student and plans to go into teaching. She is VERY conservative. She's applying to PhD programs right now, and has said that she won't say one word about her actual thoughts on anything,, because she knows that not only won't she be able to teach, she won't be able to get into a program. So she just keeps her mouth shut no matter what her liberal professors and the other students spew. She said she MAY be able to open her mouth someday when she's tenured. MAYBE.
So to say that other colleges hire candidates with varying views is a complete joke. They do NOT. You must subscribe to their liberal philosophies, no matter what. Maybe not as an adjunct, but certainly if you want to work there full-time.
The lack of “ideological diversity,” in college these days is sad. Mindless groupthink. Kids are taught what to think not how to think.
The new Harvard President Bacow talked about the lack of “ideological diversity,” at universities and out-of-touch with the rest of America. Governor Charlie Baker proved that 100% at Harvard speaking right before President Bacow.
Harvard University Presidential Inauguration of Lawrence S. Bacow | October 5, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlDUyfTHj4
In general, professors do not change students' political views. Most college students go into college liberal; that's to be expected among young people, even among those who don't go to college. Students' political views are mostly influenced by other college students. People keep regurgitating this lie that students are being brainwashed by their professors without any evidence. It's probably more so the case that people are being brainwashed by anti-intellectual, right wing media. Some people fear an educated populace.
http://theconversation.com/does-college-turn-people-into-liberals-90905
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/06/10/study-finds-students-themselves-not-professors-lead-some-become-more-liberal-college
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2008/nov/11/students-academics-leftwing-politics
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/college-doesnt-make-you-liberal.html
RE: Anyone take one of the FREE Certificate Programs direct from Hillsdale College? - TexasTink - 11-30-2018
Those Literature classes look very interesting! I saved this off for when I'm done with my degree. Thanks for sharing!!