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RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - rachel83az - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:33 AM)carrythenothing Wrote: Regarding calculus II: I was able to substitute a different calculus class (MAT-431) for the calculus I requirement in both the BA in Computer Science and the ASNSM in Mathematics (now the AS in Mathematics). I pointed to the sequential course work policy: https://tesu.smartcatalogiq.com/Current/Undergraduate-Catalog/University-Policies-and-Procedures/Undergraduate-Academic-Policies/Degree-Policies/Sequential-Course-Work
Fair enough, if only getting the AS in Comp Sci. But Calculus I from Sophia should still be a cheap & easy way to get more math credits for the AS in Mathematics.
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - sarahmac - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:09 AM)rachel83az Wrote:(08-26-2022, 04:22 AM)sarahmac Wrote: B: Environmental Sci 3SHSophia's Environmental Science will be both faster & cheaper. It also comes in as ENS-200. Sophia's also a good way to fill in some gen eds that might be missing, like Ethics.
-> Take Study.com ENS-200 Environmental Science
(08-26-2022, 04:22 AM)sarahmac Wrote: D: Geology (Human) 3SHGood catch!
-> Take Lawshelf Gov-202 Basics of Environmental Law = ENS-360 Environ Sustain Social Justice
(08-26-2022, 04:22 AM)sarahmac Wrote: F: Area Courses 9SH (Anthropology of the Environment, Environmental Economics, Environmental Psychology, Global Environmental Change, Philosophy of the Environment, Politics of the Environment, Sociology of the Environment, Environmental Sustainability)This Coopersmith course isn't an UL one. At least 15 UL are needed in the AOS + the Capstone. I don't think that there are enough ULs for this plan. "Sensation & Perception" appears to be UL, but I don't think it's going to be used in the AOS. So, it won't count. Also, assuming that the already-taken Statistics course is UL (as appears to be the case with the number), TESU should bring it in as UL. But they also have a tendency to bring in all stats as STA-201. So, there is a chance that this might not be UL without a fight.
-> One of three fulfilled with Global Environmental Change - Earth 4500
-> Take Coopersmith: Environmental Sociology (SOC-345)
If GLB-301 is taken at TESU, plus LawShelf's Environmental Law, I think GLB-301 could be used in part D, Human Geology. Then ENS-360 could possibly be an UL AOS course/elective.
(08-26-2022, 04:22 AM)sarahmac Wrote: If you were paying for a 16 cr flatrate term you could add an associates, or a certificate etc to stuff any other "easier" credits into. AS Computer Science and Math for example, or AA Meteorology. Or both. Neither require associates capstones, and any courses you'd take would be lower level (i.e. for meteorology "EAS-201 The Science of Disasters" and "EAS-101 General Earth Science").
The AS in Computer Science and AS in Math are definitely easy associates to pick up on the way to a Bachelor's degree. I don't think the Meteorology one will fit?
In addition to the regular gen eds (Algebra is included here), Math requires Calculus I (OP has Calc II, but I would take Calc I from Sophia because it should be relatively easy after taking Calc II.) + 15 additional math credits. Assuming that the already-taken Stats is UL, I would suggest the following:For the AS in Computer Science, all that is needed is 18 credits in Computer Science-related credits. Discrete Math would go here, but it also looks like plenty of CS-related credits have already been taken. TESU counts these two degrees as a single degree with one AOS, if taken together, so I'd do them both.
- College Algebra (gen ed requirement, Sophia)
- Calculus I (degree requirement, Sophia)
- UL Stats (AOS elective, already taken)
- College Math (AOS elective, already taken)
- Calculus II (AOS elective, already taken)
- Introduction to Stats (AOS elective, Sophia) - Will not overlap with UL stats.
- CSMLearn (fast/easy/cheap) or Discrete Math from Study.com (Should be easy after UL Stats & Calculus, looks more impressive on a transcript)
The AA in Meteorology requires:
A. Earth Science
Probably already taken? If not, Earth Science 101 from Study.com
B. Meteorology
Earth Science 104: Intro to Meteorology from Study.com
C. Disasters (EAS-201 The Science of Disasters recommended)
I think this would need to be taken from TESU, possibly as part of a 16 credit term.
D. 6 additional credits of Meteorology/Earth/Environmental Science credits.
Already completed.
Instead of the AA Meteorology, perhaps the AS in Business Administration? Most of that can be completed with Sophia. Most Sophia courses can be completed in just a couple of days.
A. Financial Accounting
Sophia
B. Managerial Accounting
Davar, Study.com, or Saylor (depending on how confident you are in the subject)
C. Business Law
Sophia
D. Computers
Already taken
E. Management
Sophia possible, but might choose Study.com for ease. UL Management isn't needed here.
F. Marketing
Davar (if chosen for Managerial Accounting), OnlineDegree.com, or Study.com
If you do go with TESU, you might also want to pick up a certificate or two. Some of these should require only 1 or 2 extra classes. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_Certificate_Plans
The Computer Information Systems certificate might only require Systems Analysis & Design from Study.com. Might need Intro to IT from Sophia, depending on how your current credits are brought in. Possibly not worth it if already-taken classes don't come in as relevant CIS courses. 9 credits in CIS electives required.
The Computer Science certificate would be more work at this point than the AS in Computer Science. Don't bother.
If you get the ASBA, the Operations Management certificate would require 2 additional courses: Management Information Systems (Davar or Study.com) and Operations Management from Study.com or Saylor. The MIS course would also work for the CIS certificate, so could be worth it if you're 3 credits short of the CIS certificate.
I think maybe you misunderstood what I wrote. I used the example of taking the TESU resident credits toward the associates in meteorology (i.e., easy lower level classes) to gain residency if they would rather not take the UL credits toward environmental studies and alt credit those where possible.
The whole point was that the AA Meteorology would require a few classes (3 based on my husband's evaluation that has almost the exact same classes) ^^'
Sophia's Environmental Science will be faster but not cheaper if they are already paying for the college accelerator to take Biology. You get two exams included, so the env. science would be fundamentally paid for already unless they did want to take discrete math toward the AS in Math/Comp Sci.
I do also count 18 UL credits.. specifically excluding the Coopersmith class:
Lawshelf Gov-202 Basics of Environmental Law (ENS-360 Environ Sustain Social Justice)
Global Environmental Change - Earth 4500
Sedimentology 1 - Earth 4070
Statistics- MTH 401
Database SQL - CIS 331
Capstone
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - rachel83az - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:38 AM)sarahmac Wrote: Sophia's Environmental Science will be faster but not cheaper if they are already paying for the college accelerator to take Biology.
Better to use that slot for something like Comparative Politics (I don't see any classes that meet the Civic Engagement requirement) or Intro to Meteorology (if needed).
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - sarahmac - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:41 AM)rachel83az Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:38 AM)sarahmac Wrote: Sophia's Environmental Science will be faster but not cheaper if they are already paying for the college accelerator to take Biology.
Better to use that slot for something like Comparative Politics (I don't see any classes that meet the Civic Engagement requirement) or Intro to Meteorology (if needed).
Doesn't Instantcert American Govt cover that for 20$ though? I wouldn't waste a Study.com slot at effectively $100 an exam (presuming you don't complete additional courses in one month and pay the add-on fee) on something that could be got elsewhere cheaper tbh, since taking Comparative Politics on Study.com would then mean a $100 Sophia subscription to pick up Environmental Science. Maybe it doesn't and I am misremembering though.
I cede the point on going the Sophia route if picking up the AS in Math and using Sophia Calculus 1 as an additional math class though. If OP wanted to add the AS Math/Comp Sci it could be better to not use the appeal for higher level replacement with Calc 2.
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - rachel83az - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:48 AM)sarahmac Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:41 AM)rachel83az Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:38 AM)sarahmac Wrote: Sophia's Environmental Science will be faster but not cheaper if they are already paying for the college accelerator to take Biology.
Better to use that slot for something like Comparative Politics (I don't see any classes that meet the Civic Engagement requirement) or Intro to Meteorology (if needed).
Doesn't Instantcert American Govt cover that for 20$ though? I wouldn't waste a Study.com slot at $100 an exam on something that could be got elsewhere cheaper tbh, since taking Comparative Politics on Study.com would then mean a $100 Sophia subscription to pick up Environmental Science. Maybe it doesn't and I am misremembering though.
Nope, InstantCert is gone. At least for American Government & Spanish. (Other InstantCert classes will be going away at the end of the year.) Choices are currently Comparative Politics @ Study.com or Saylor. Saylor will be significantly more difficult because everything is based off a single exam.
Also, depending on what degree(s) are decided upon, a Sophia membership would be the cheapest way to get:
- Ethics
- Environmental Science
- Most courses required for the ASBA
- Additional math for the AS in Math
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - LevelUP - 08-26-2022
It seems to me that the OP could gather up enough credits for the TESU Computer Science in about 3 months, working 20-30 hours a week on the degree.
Then once you do that, maybe you're only 1 month away from a double major in Business Administration.
And oh BTW, one more course and you have a free Associate's in Math.
And then what about science, should we go for that as well? Or do swap out computer science for science, then pick up the free associate's degree in computer science.
TESU does have the double major/degree advantage if you go that route. But you can also choose a single degree.
Lots of choices.
TESU Computer Science/BSBA CIS Double degree plan
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BA_Computer_Science_BSBA_CIS_Double_Degree_Plan
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - sarahmac - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 07:54 AM)rachel83az Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:48 AM)sarahmac Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:41 AM)rachel83az Wrote:(08-26-2022, 07:38 AM)sarahmac Wrote: Sophia's Environmental Science will be faster but not cheaper if they are already paying for the college accelerator to take Biology.
Better to use that slot for something like Comparative Politics (I don't see any classes that meet the Civic Engagement requirement) or Intro to Meteorology (if needed).
Doesn't Instantcert American Govt cover that for 20$ though? I wouldn't waste a Study.com slot at $100 an exam on something that could be got elsewhere cheaper tbh, since taking Comparative Politics on Study.com would then mean a $100 Sophia subscription to pick up Environmental Science. Maybe it doesn't and I am misremembering though.
Nope, InstantCert is gone. At least for American Government & Spanish. (Other InstantCert classes will be going away at the end of the year.) Choices are currently Comparative Politics @ Study.com or Saylor. Saylor will be significantly more difficult because everything is based off a single exam.
Also, depending on what degree(s) are decided upon, a Sophia membership would be the cheapest way to get:
- Ethics
- Environmental Science
- Most courses required for the ASBA
- Additional math for the AS in Math
I completely missed that. Oops. I would probably still CLEP it for free using Modern States personally, since TESU does take the CLEP toward Civic Engagement. I understand some people like it not being one exam or bust though.
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - rachel83az - 08-26-2022
Considering how close @dillpickles is to multiple TESU degrees, I would definitely recommend applying there and sending in transcripts. (If credits are from more than 2 schools, also pay for the $50 Medical Terminology TECEP.) This would allow access to the "what if" tool to compare different degree options.
Also, you can have multiple degrees & certificates added to your degree plan so that you can track progress more easily. So, if you think "yes to environmental science, maybe to Computer Science and BSBA CIS", you can add all 3 to your account and decide later.
If you DID get the BA CS and the BA Environmental Science at the same time, TESU would count that as ONE degree. Throw in the BSBA CIS for only slightly more work and get three degrees for the price of two.
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - dillpickles - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 08:08 AM)rachel83az Wrote: Considering how close @dillpickles is to multiple TESU degrees, I would definitely recommend applying there and sending in transcripts. (If credits are from more than 2 schools, also pay for the $50 Medical Terminology TECEP.) This would allow access to the "what if" tool to compare different degree options.
Also, you can have multiple degrees & certificates added to your degree plan so that you can track progress more easily. So, if you think "yes to environmental science, maybe to Computer Science and BSBA CIS", you can add all 3 to your account and decide later.
If you DID get the BA CS and the BA Environmental Science at the same time, TESU would count that as ONE degree. Throw in the BSBA CIS for only slightly more work and get three degrees for the price of two.
I'm liking this idea - can you clarify what the Medical Terminology TECEP is? Credits are from more than 2 schools (4).
Can you clarify what you mean by TESU counting it as ONE degree (vs two?)? That would be pretty epic to get CS, ES, and CIS - I'd at least feel like all my time spent in college was worth something
Let's say I go this route. What can I take right now using Sophia to get a head start while I go through the process?
Thanks!
RE: Which College/Degree? A lot of credits. - rachel83az - 08-26-2022
(08-26-2022, 08:56 AM)dillpickles Wrote: I'm liking this idea - can you clarify what the Medical Terminology TECEP is? Credits are from more than 2 schools (4).TECEPs are something like CLEP exams, except they're created and administered by TESU. Other schools have (often) non-transferrable challenge exams, but TESU's exams can be transferred to other schools. They cost $50/credit for LL exams and $75/credit for UL ones. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison_Credit_by_Exam_Program
What does this have to do with you? When you apply, you only get 2 credit evaluations. If all of your transcripts don't arrive at exactly the same time, TESU may only process 2 or 3 transcripts before those evaluations are used up. In order to unlock unlimited evaluations, you have to become a fully enrolled student. There are two ways of doing this: taking a class, any class (expensive) or paying for a TECEP. The Medical Terminology TECEP happens to be the only 1-credit TECEP, so it's the cheapest way to do this. You don't have to actually pass (or even take the TECEP), but I do recommend making an attempt with the exam. This is simply so you are familiar with the ProctorU proctoring environment that Coopersmith & TESU use. Again, you don't have to take the TECEP if you don't want to/don't have time, but I definitely would.
(08-26-2022, 08:56 AM)dillpickles Wrote: Can you clarify what you mean by TESU counting it as ONE degree (vs two?)? That would be pretty epic to get CS, ES, and CIS - I'd at least feel like all my time spent in college was worth somethingAs long as both degrees are completed at the same time, TESU counts two BA or two BS or two BSBA degrees as a single degree. If you were to graduate with the BA Environmental Science, then come back for the BA in Computer Science later, TESU would count those as two separate degrees.
TESU allows you to get 2 degrees total per level, with up to 2 AOS each. Certificates are unlimited. So...
- AS in Computer Science + AS in Mathematics = Associate #1
- AS in Business Administration OR AA Meteorology = Associate #2
- BA Computer Science + BA Environmental Studies = Bachelor #1
- BSBA CIS = Bachelor #2
- Certificate in Operations Management; If you do everything above, this will only require a single additional course in Operations Management from Saylor or Study.com
- Certificate in Marketing; not free, but you said you're in Marketing, so might be useful. Could also add Marketing as an AOS for the BSBA and get the equivalent of four Bachelor's degrees at once.
The Marketing certificate would require 5 additional Marketing courses beyond the Intro to Marketing required for every BSBA. The BSBA Marketing would require 6. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sample_TESU_BSBA_Marketing_Degree_Plan Since you're already in Marketing, you can probably finish most of the Study.com courses in a week or two.
(08-26-2022, 08:56 AM)dillpickles Wrote: Let's say I go this route. What can I take right now using Sophia to get a head start while I go through the process?
At Sophia, I would do: Ancient Greek Philosophers (I think this is technically useless for your degree plan, but it makes Intro to Ethics significantly easier). Intro to Ethics. Environmental Science. Algebra, Calculus I, Intro to College Math, and Introduction to Statistics. If you want the BSBA CIS, go ahead and take all of the available Business classes. https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sophia.org_Equivalency_List Wait until your evaluations are complete to see if you should take Intro to IT. Do not take Public Speaking, even if you lack the Oral Communication requirement. There is a much easier/faster course on Study.com. There may be more to do on Sophia, but we need to see what happens with your evaluation.
I would apply today, if at all possible. Pay for the TECEP and send in all of your transcripts. Depending on how your previous schools send their transcripts, your evaluation should be completed by the 1st or 2nd week of next month. That will let you see where you stand with each degree.
When your evaluation is complete, take screenshots (Fireshot recommended) of all 3 or 4 degree plans and we can help you with further class suggestions.