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RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - Old Guy - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 09:54 AM)LevelUP Wrote: Zuckerberg tells Rogan that the FBI warning prompted the censorship of the Biden laptop story.Apparently truth upsets some people. It would be nice if the government told us what's true so we ignorant people wouldn't make the mistake of coming up with other things we believe to be true. It could be labelled "Project 1984." The First Amendment is so messy and inconvenient.
On tape, you see Capitol police allowing tours of the Capitol, and those are the people charged with serious crimes, most of which the Supreme Court has struck down as violations of the law.
You had people in Congress saying, "We are going to impeach Trump," before they even had any charges.
You had DAs running for office saying, "We are going to go after Trump," before they had any charges.
It's no secret what they are doing. It's all on tape. Even Ray Charles can see what is happening.
The attempted assassination of Trump is not nearly as surprising as it should be
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4770670-the-attempted-assassination-of-trump-is-not-nearly-as-surprising-as-it-should-be/
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - sanantone - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 01:11 PM)LevelUP Wrote:(07-14-2024, 12:53 PM)sanantone Wrote: These crazy conspiracy theories are exactly why mentally unstable people are committing political violence. Once again, why is LevelUp a moderator? This does not look good for a higher education forum. This forum is starting to sound like InfoWars which, by the way, discussed 5 months ago how assassinating Trump would be beneficial to them because they'll get a better candidate. This country is losing it.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1812460546236518607?s=19
(07-14-2024, 11:50 AM)jg_nuy Wrote: I'm going back under my rock.
We all need to message the website owner to get LevelUp removed as a moderator. He's removed your comments for trolling, but has allowed idiotic, dangerous conspiracy theories to be posted. He cannot operate as an impartial moderator.
(04-20-2024, 10:35 PM)sanantone Wrote: The vice president of the Confederacy said that the war was over slavery. Several states mentioned slavery in their declarations of secession. The North mainly fought the war to keep the union together. The South shot first and was paranoid about the possibility that Lincoln would abolish slavery. In 2024, we still have bigots who believe that states' rights are more important than human and constitutional rights for individuals.
You are going around calling everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with your views.
Political talk is a small fraction of what is discussed here on DF. This forum is never going to be a left-wing or right-wing forum because it is not its core focus, and few people bother to discuss it.
If you don't want to talk about politics, why don't you just ignore it? You're participating in this thread and the DegreeInfo thread as well?
You're saying that prioritizing states' rights over Black people's right to not be enslaved is not bigotry? I think you're in the minority in the year of 2024.
Conspiracy theories are not political talk. Maybe I should make a separate thread on the cognitive scores of people who tend to believe a bunch of conspiracy theories.
(07-14-2024, 01:47 PM)Charles Fout Wrote:(07-14-2024, 01:11 PM)LevelUP Wrote:(07-14-2024, 12:53 PM)sanantone Wrote: These crazy conspiracy theories are exactly why mentally unstable people are committing political violence. Once again, why is LevelUp a moderator? This does not look good for a higher education forum. This forum is starting to sound like InfoWars which, by the way, discussed 5 months ago how assassinating Trump would be beneficial to them because they'll get a better candidate. This country is losing it.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1812460546236518607?s=19
(07-14-2024, 11:50 AM)jg_nuy Wrote: I'm going back under my rock.
We all need to message the website owner to get LevelUp removed as a moderator. He's removed your comments for trolling, but has allowed idiotic, dangerous conspiracy theories to be posted. He cannot operate as an impartial moderator.
(04-20-2024, 10:35 PM)sanantone Wrote: The vice president of the Confederacy said that the war was over slavery. Several states mentioned slavery in their declarations of secession. The North mainly fought the war to keep the union together. The South shot first and was paranoid about the possibility that Lincoln would abolish slavery. In 2024, we still have bigots who believe that states' rights are more important than human and constitutional rights for individuals.
You are going around calling everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with your views.
Political talk is a small fraction of what is discussed here on DF. This forum is never going to be a left-wing or right-wing forum because it is not its core focus, and few people bother to discuss it.
If you don't want to talk about politics, why don't you just ignore it? You're participating in this thread and the DegreeInfo thread as well?
I will not join in any movement to have LevelUP removed. We have disagreed in discussions, such as DEI and book banning, yet remained civil to each other. Again, I'm grateful to anyone who puts themselves in the arena of moderating these forums. The reality is political discussion and discussion political current events are a valid topic for an education focused discussion board.
In my opinion, if you think that it's not bigotry to defend states' "rights" to deny freedom and the right to vote to people of Sub-Saharan African descent, that should be disqualifying.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - LevelUP - 07-14-2024
(07-14-2024, 02:10 PM)sanantone Wrote:(07-14-2024, 01:11 PM)LevelUP Wrote:(07-14-2024, 12:53 PM)sanantone Wrote: These crazy conspiracy theories are exactly why mentally unstable people are committing political violence. Once again, why is LevelUp a moderator? This does not look good for a higher education forum. This forum is starting to sound like InfoWars which, by the way, discussed 5 months ago how assassinating Trump would be beneficial to them because they'll get a better candidate. This country is losing it.
https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1812460546236518607?s=19
(07-14-2024, 11:50 AM)jg_nuy Wrote: I'm going back under my rock.
We all need to message the website owner to get LevelUp removed as a moderator. He's removed your comments for trolling, but has allowed idiotic, dangerous conspiracy theories to be posted. He cannot operate as an impartial moderator.
(04-20-2024, 10:35 PM)sanantone Wrote: The vice president of the Confederacy said that the war was over slavery. Several states mentioned slavery in their declarations of secession. The North mainly fought the war to keep the union together. The South shot first and was paranoid about the possibility that Lincoln would abolish slavery. In 2024, we still have bigots who believe that states' rights are more important than human and constitutional rights for individuals.
You are going around calling everyone a bigot who doesn't agree with your views.
Political talk is a small fraction of what is discussed here on DF. This forum is never going to be a left-wing or right-wing forum because it is not its core focus, and few people bother to discuss it.
If you don't want to talk about politics, why don't you just ignore it? You're participating in this thread and the DegreeInfo thread as well?
You're saying that prioritizing states' rights over Black people's right to not be enslaved is not bigotry? I think you're in the minority in the year of 2024.
Conspiracy theories are not political talk. Maybe I should make a separate thread on the cognitive scores of people who tend to believe a bunch of conspiracy theories.
You are right that conspiracy theories tend to get out of control.
Some conspiracy theories are vague, may contain an ounce of truth that promoters use to justify their validity, and are hard to research and fact-check.
Some are just outright crazy, such as the ones from July 13th, for example. Some say it was staged. Some were posting photos or making claims about who the shooter was.
Andrew Tate called it a "coup" in a tweet and pretty much said the government found this person, then instructed that person to kill Trump, which got 10 million+ views. This is an irresponsible thing to say, at the very least.
Elon Musk pointed out in a Twitter talk that when someone used the term "globalist," it was vague and didn't have much meaning.
These types of ambiguous terms can lead to problems.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - LevelUP - 07-15-2024
Here's an extended video of people trying to inform the police/Secret Service that a man with a gun is on the roof. (1 minute and 10 seconds after this video, the president was shot, and one person was killed.)
https://x.com/AdnanClassified/status/1812673073919021554
Watch this split-screen video of the moments leading up to the attack.
Secret Service had 2 FULL MINUTES.
https://x.com/ElonChapo/status/1813128630559551509
I agree that the head of the Secret Service needs to be fired, as it looks like the people on the ground lacked resources and were put in a position to fail.
Some Common Questions I'm Hearing:
- How was the shooter allowed to go on the roof? Aerial surveillance?
- Why didn't the police/Secret Service respond quicker to reports of an armed gunman on the roof?
- Why didn't they take the shot quicker?
- Why was Trump left on the stage when they knew a guy was on the roof?
There is reckless political rhetoric on both sides. However, the right's argument would be, "Who's in the hospital?" Who is on the receiving end of almost all the political violence?
As I have heard, Trump is rewriting his RNC speech to tone down the political rhetoric and unite the country.
Hopefully the rest of this election cycle will be a more normal one.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - Jonathan Whatley - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 11:49 AM)LevelUP Wrote: There are lessons to be learned from failure, and security needs to be beefed up for everyone, including the president, prominent political figures such as Nancy Pelosi, and Supreme Court members.
There is reckless political rhetoric on both sides.
Fully agreed!
Quote:However, the right's argument would be, "Who's in the hospital?" Who is on the receiving end of almost all the political violence?
Democratic State Senator Clementa Pinckney was assassinated and eight others were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Charleston church shooting. Democratic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords was targeted for assassination and severely disabled and six others were killed by an extremist in the Tucson shooting. Liberal activist Heather Heyer was killed and thirty-five others were injured by a neo-Nazi in the Charlottesville car-ramming. Twenty-three people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the El Paso Walmart shooting. Eleven people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Ten people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Buffalo supermarket shooting. Officer Brian Sicknick died possibly attendant of and many others were injured by right-wing rioters on January 6.
Quote:Hopefully the rest of this election cycle will be a more normal one.
Fully agreed!
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - LevelUP - 07-15-2024
(07-15-2024, 01:19 PM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote: Democratic State Senator Clementa Pinckney was assassinated and eight others were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Charleston church shooting. Democratic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords was targeted for assassination and severely disabled and six others were killed by an extremist in the Tucson shooting. Liberal activist Heather Heyer was killed and thirty-five others were injured by a neo-Nazi in the Charlottesville car-ramming. Twenty-three people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the El Paso Walmart shooting. Eleven people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Ten people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Buffalo supermarket shooting. Officer Brian Sicknick was killed and many others were injured by right-wing rioters on January 6.
Good points.
Not violent attacks, but AOC has been approached in an aggressive manner by people on the left. Bernie Sanders, while running for president, had people run up to him and take his mic away while he was speaking to a crowd. Things have gotten out of control.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - davewill - 07-15-2024
The list of modern Presidents and candidates that have been targeted is long:
Teddy Roosevelt was shot at.
FDR, shot at
Truman had an attempt stopped which killed a White House policeman and one of the assassins.
JFK, killed
RFK, killed
George Wallace, shot
Ford, shot at twice
Reagan, shot.
Bush Sr, foiled car bomb attack in Kuwait
Bush Jr had a grenade thrown at him overseas
Barack Obama was targeted by a gunman shooting at the White House.
Trump, shot, plus two bystanders killed.
Plus, attempted letter bombs, and attempts to send Ricin.
Then the mentioned shootings above of non-Presidential figures.
It may well be that the Secret Service fell down on the job here, but I also think it's fantastically difficult to secure a candidate at public events. Especially from a lone assassin who doesn't care about escape.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - slaterjack - 07-15-2024
Ex-President*
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - Old Guy - 07-15-2024
(07-14-2024, 02:10 PM)sanantone Wrote: In my opinion, if you think that it's not bigotry to defend states' "rights" to deny freedom and the right to vote to people of Sub-Saharan African descent, that should be disqualifying.
Forget Trump you just killed another straw man.
(07-15-2024, 01:19 PM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote:Quote:However, the right's argument would be, "Who's in the hospital?" Who is on the receiving end of almost all the political violence?
Democratic State Senator Clementa Pinckney was assassinated and eight others were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Charleston church shooting. Democratic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords was targeted for assassination and severely disabled and six others were killed by an extremist in the Tucson shooting. Liberal activist Heather Heyer was killed and thirty-five others were injured by a neo-Nazi in the Charlottesville car-ramming. Twenty-three people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the El Paso Walmart shooting. Eleven people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Ten people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Buffalo supermarket shooting. Officer Brian Sicknick died possibly attendant of and many others were injured by right-wing rioters on January 6.
61? deaths out of 20,000. Now you wouldn't be guilty of cherry picking, would you? 61? out of 20,000 doesn't sound like a trend. It sounds like a failed argument.
RE: OUTRAGE! - Attempt on President Trump's Life - Jonathan Whatley - 07-16-2024
(07-15-2024, 09:22 PM)Old Guy Wrote:(07-15-2024, 01:19 PM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote:Quote:However, the right's argument would be, "Who's in the hospital?" Who is on the receiving end of almost all the political violence?
Democratic State Senator Clementa Pinckney was assassinated and eight others were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Charleston church shooting. Democratic U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords was targeted for assassination and severely disabled and six others were killed by an extremist in the Tucson shooting. Liberal activist Heather Heyer was killed and thirty-five others were injured by a neo-Nazi in the Charlottesville car-ramming. Twenty-three people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the El Paso Walmart shooting. Eleven people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Ten people were killed by a neo-Nazi in the Buffalo supermarket shooting. Officer Brian Sicknick died possibly attendant of and many others were injured by right-wing rioters on January 6.
61? deaths out of 20,000. Now you wouldn't be guilty of cherry picking, would you? 61? out of 20,000 doesn't sound like a trend. It sounds like a failed argument.
My argument is that Democrats, liberals, and non-White minorities are a significant numerator of the denominator targets of political violence in the United States.
Your accusation that I'm cherry-picking implies that 20,000 is an appropriate numerator to the denominator 61 in a valid comparison. But you've introduced the number 20,000 with no explanation, no indication of what relation it has to the topic.
You probably introduced the number 20,000 because 20,000 is the approximate number of homicides in the U.S. in one year. But that's almost entirely non-political violence. That would not be a valid comparison.