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RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Maltus - 09-18-2025
(09-17-2025, 09:55 PM)nykorn Wrote: Not that you can trust AI, but after copy-pasting the text, AI thinks these are 60 ECTS second cycle degrees (Master Universitario di Secondo Livello), and that they are eligible for a "I graduated from an Italian school and need 12 months to find a job in Italy" visa, and equivalent to a Master's all across Europe. The catch is that to enroll in a Doctorate's or to get a European teaching license, they typically want your Master's to be at least 120 ECTS (and your Bachelor's to be 180 ECTS, aka you would have 300 ECTS total).
I checked out some of the Masters directly on the Italian university's website, and if you just want "any Masters", then some of them in non-business subjects are cheaper than this whole rigamarole with ENEB would be, especially if you have already paid for the ENEB agile methodology, diplomas and apostille. As an example, Unimarconi's Education Master's, 60 ECTS, is only 4,000 Euros. https://www.unimarconi.com/english-courses/
Also, I had issues with ENEB on subjects I didn't already know about, because their translations to English were so poor there were some major mistakes that made it really confusing to read the material. I'm not sure if for some people the better option would be to just ignore the whole ENEB partnership and study from Unimarconi directly.
I decided I won't be doing this Unimarconi partnership because the ENEB degrees I have chosen aren't any of the 4 degrees they have partnered with.
Well a Master's for € 4000 doesn't sound too bad... unless you notice that you need a Master's degree (Laurea Magistrale) to apply for this one.
Wikipedia states, that an italian Master (60 ECTS) is NOT considered a Master, but a postgrad certificate. That makse sense, considering that you need a "real" Master for entering most of the programms.
So to me it sounds more like another "titulo propio" - but on italian paper this time.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - JC39 - 09-18-2025
I just received my evaluation report (attached below) from ECE for 4 programs, and I’m wondering if anyone can confirm something for me.
Was it actually better to have purchased the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) and the 3 dual master’s (6)?
From my report, the Global Master came out to 45 units, while each dual master’s program is shown as 36 units. If I had taken all of these as individual master’s degrees instead of bundled programs, would the unit totals have been different (or higher), or would it end up the same?
Just trying to understand if there’s an advantage to going with the bundled programs versus individual ones when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - artem - 09-18-2025
(09-14-2025, 02:22 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: ECE doesn’t do course by course for ENEB transcripts. Insignia report makes the institution pay and sign up with ECE to view the report. Not sure if each would be willing to do that.
This is wrong.
ECE does a course by course evaluation for ENEB. I ordered it twice.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Kalas - 09-18-2025
I have not heard back from Unimarconi and more than half the day is gone in Italy. Probably not a good sign.
Something to consider is that none of the four degrees available through the ENEB/Unimarconi partnership are directly offered by Unimarconi, so that might need to be explained away to a potential employer or doctoral program. https://www.unimarconi.com/english-courses/ If you want to double check my math on that, the partnership options are:
MASTER IN APPLIED BIG DATA AND ANALYTICS
MASTER IN HUMAN RESOURCES LEADERSHIP AND TALENT STRATEGY
MASTER IN SALES LEADERSHIP AND MARKET STRATEGY
MBA IN CORPORATE STRATEGY AND INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP
To me, that makes clarification on exactly what kind of Italian degree it is all the more important. ENEB's sales copy means nothing after money changes hands. As the 17th Rule of Tuition Acquisition clearly states, a contract is a contract is a contract...but only between shady cheapo universities.
The "full price" of the degree is 2,600€ with the "scholarship" that I assume is available to anyone willing to pay 2,600€ but not 9,600€. There is a 10% discount for payment up front, so the "full price" becomes 2,340€ or ~$2770 - and even comes with a free 7" tablet! (Estimated retail value of the tablet is $35. source: I can be a dick sometimes.) https://eneb.com/training-programs/accredited-masters/master-in-applied-big-data-and-analytics/ Buying it that way may or may not require doing the coursework even if you already have the corresponding ENEB degrees.
On Maltus' point, this is NOT a propio. It is an official degree from a school with all of the government legalities in place. Whether it is more accurately described as a graduate certificate, master's degree or postgraduate certificate in American terms is yet to be determined. My fear is that this "special partnership" could end up being a graduate certificate when the dust settles. While technically still a good value for money, it has far less utility and won't be getting you into many job interviews or doctoral programs ENEB doesn't.
For JC39's question, methodology used by degree evaluators could generously be described as fuzzy math. ENEB saying things like a single degree is 60 ECTS and a double degree is 72 ECTS (no matter how many classes actually repeat between them) and a "Global MBA" adding a third degree means an additional 18 ECTS (which probably adds fewer new classes than the second degree) only confuses evaluators more. My take on it is that it was ENEB's attempt to get more credits into one degree so it would to give it a better chance of being evaluated as a full master's by an evaluator. I would assume more than 60 ECTS (and 90 ECTS in particular) have some kind of specific value in Europe that is not immediately obvious to an American. More cynically, Global MBAs became trendy a few years earlier. You could also look at it as ENEB trying to cash in.
If I am reading your post and the evaluation correctly it would appear that you did indeed get hosed by ECE for going the double degree/triple degree route. From this we can see ECE evaluates every "degree group" as one US bachelor's, regardless of how many units are in it or the topics covered. I'm guessing the first degree listed on the double/triple degree transcript is the one ECE will use based on these results, JC39 can confirm or deny. Assuming JC sent 4 ENEB transcripts/UI1 validations we could more specifically say that 1 transcript/UI1 validation latter = 1 US bachelor's regardless of the number of credits on the transcript. That said, let us not lose sight of the bigger picture. It is "only" 4 US bachelor's degrees for less than the cost of 2 classes at SNHU after all expenses are taken into account. You'd have to try to complain about the value per dollar there.
I went ahead and updated the wiki on double/triple degrees being evaluated as a single bachelor's by ECE and as a single graduate certificate by IEE per the next post. Anyone that wants to clean up my sloppy scripting feel free.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - cacoleman1983 - 09-18-2025
IEE does the same thing in terms of ENEB degrees that are double/triple Masters being fused into one graduate certificate with multiple specialties. My dual degree in Digital Marketing and Analytics and Masters in AI specialties were fused together as one certificate. The MBA was written as another certificate since it was completed as one program so my 3 degrees were evaluated as 2 graduate certificates with one being a singular specialty and the other a dual specialty.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 07:24 AM)artem Wrote:(09-14-2025, 02:22 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: ECE doesn’t do course by course for ENEB transcripts. Insignia report makes the institution pay and sign up with ECE to view the report. Not sure if each would be willing to do that.
This is wrong.
ECE does a course by course evaluation for ENEB. I ordered it twice.
Yes thanks for correcting. They just re-did my report with "S" for satisfactory grades for the courses listed on the back of the Ui1 Diploma (which does not have any grades). ECE does not recognize the ENEB Transcript which has the grades, and that's why they don't show any GPA on the ECE Evaluation Report
Thanks
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - irvineboy - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 04:23 AM)JC39 Wrote: I just received my evaluation report (attached below) from ECE for 4 programs, and I’m wondering if anyone can confirm something for me.
Was it actually better to have purchased the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) and the 3 dual master’s (6)?
From my report, the Global Master came out to 45 units, while each dual master’s program is shown as 36 units. If I had taken all of these as individual master’s degrees instead of bundled programs, would the unit totals have been different (or higher), or would it end up the same?
Just trying to understand if there’s an advantage to going with the bundled programs versus individual ones when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
Thanks for sharing and wow that took a long time. Looks like it would have been the same amount of credits either way. Let us know if you get them transfered and how that goes!
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 09-18-2025
ENEB just called me. This is what the person conveyed:
ENEB graduates can transfer into one of the 4 degree programs with Unimarconi. One does not have to have completed a similar program at ENEB previously because all of the ENEB courses transfer, so if there are other modules required for a particular degree that is on offer, one can simply complete those modules to satisfy any deficiency.
The degree will be a Master Universitario Di Primo Livello
The Transcript will come directly from Unimarconi
The thesis is to be 12,000 words, and business-oriented, not research
Bachelor's Degree is required; the degree, transcript, and government-issued ID must be apostilled for students outside of the EU.
UNISEB Convalidation: The Transcript will come directly from Ui1
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Maltus - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 12:32 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: ENEB just called me. This is what the person conveyed:
ENEB graduates can transfer into one of the 4 degree programs with Unimarconi. One does not have to have completed a similar program at ENEB previously because all of the ENEB courses transfer, so if there are other modules required for a particular degree that is on offer, one can simply complete those modules to satisfy any deficiency.
The degree will be a Master Universitario Di Primo Livello
The Transcript will come directly from Unimarconi
The thesis is to be 12,000 words, and business-oriented, not research
Bachelor's Degree is required; the degree, transcript, and government-issued ID must be apostilled for students outside of the EU.
UNISEB Convalidation: The Transcript will come directly from Ui1
THANK YOU!
And there we have it: The Master is not a 2nd cycle degree or even a laureal magistrale, as the Bologna-Master is called on italy.
The University of Padua (most people should know it since it is one of Europes oldes universitys) states that a Master Universitario die Primo Livello does NOT allow you to take up a phd. They state that it is different from a regular Master:
"The latter degree course is also clearly different from the usual master degree, which – not only in English-speaking countries but also in the whole area of the Bologna Process – corresponds to the Italian laurea magistrale."
You can get the full Info here:
https://www.unipd.it/en/first-and-second-level-university-master
So chances are you might get graduate credits via evaluation, but not the equivalent to a Master's in the US.
And you can find it on the official EU-Webpage about higher education in Italy:
https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/italy/programmes-outside-bachelor-and-master-structure
That site states clearly that ths programms are outside the system and considered further education. It is solely regulated by the University.
Well, sounds like ENEB is selling another "Titulo Propio" - but this time on italienpaperwork.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - slammX - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 12:32 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: ENEB just called me. This is what the person conveyed:First level masters? So ENEB lied in their marketing material?
ENEB graduates can transfer into one of the 4 degree programs with Unimarconi. One does not have to have completed a similar program at ENEB previously because all of the ENEB courses transfer, so if there are other modules required for a particular degree that is on offer, one can simply complete those modules to satisfy any deficiency.
The degree will be a Master Universitario Di Primo Livello
The Transcript will come directly from Unimarconi
The thesis is to be 12,000 words, and business-oriented, not research
Bachelor's Degree is required; the degree, transcript, and government-issued ID must be apostilled for students outside of the EU.
UNISEB Convalidation: The Transcript will come directly from Ui1
"Your studies will qualify you for public tenders, doctoral programs, and validations with other universities."