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RE: ENEB New Master Thread - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 12:58 PM)slammX Wrote:(09-18-2025, 12:32 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: ENEB just called me. This is what the person conveyed:First level masters? So ENEB lied in their marketing material?
ENEB graduates can transfer into one of the 4 degree programs with Unimarconi. One does not have to have completed a similar program at ENEB previously because all of the ENEB courses transfer, so if there are other modules required for a particular degree that is on offer, one can simply complete those modules to satisfy any deficiency.
The degree will be a Master Universitario Di Primo Livello
The Transcript will come directly from Unimarconi
The thesis is to be 12,000 words, and business-oriented, not research
Bachelor's Degree is required; the degree, transcript, and government-issued ID must be apostilled for students outside of the EU.
UNISEB Convalidation: The Transcript will come directly from Ui1
"Your studies will qualify you for public tenders, doctoral programs, and validations with other universities."
I think we should just take all of this with caution. It's a sales office calling to promote a new offering, and the person might not fully understand.
When I asked if it is first or second level, the person said "First level, 60 ECTS". The truth is that the Second Level is also 60 ECTS, so the person might have just not known the answer.
Regardless of whether it is a first or second level, technically both are official degrees recognized by the Italian Ministry of Education, and they have a status that is above the titulo propio.
According to the Unimarconi site, admission to a 1st or 2nd level master's depends on the student's previous qualifications.
Bachelor's only students qualifies for entry in to a 1st level Master.
A student with a Bachelor's and Level 7 (Postgraduate Certificate, Postgraduate Diploma, or Master's) qualifies for entry in to a 2nd Level Master's.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Kalas - 09-18-2025
Definitely take this with caution. A woman from ENEB called me as well. While I did not get satisfactory responses to any of my 3 major questions (what is the technical Italian term for this type of degree, will I get official transcripts, will I get letters of recommendation for doctoral programs) she DID specifically say that this degree was 120 ECTS. "60 ECTS from ENEB transfer, 60 ECTS from Marconi, 120 ECTS official master" were her exact words. She must have said "not like ENEB, official master" at least 5 times in the 8 minutes we were on the phone. It's hard to take that out of context. I interpreted it as an attempt to say Laurea Magistrale. It is also completely incompatible with what Pearson was told.
At this point I genuinely believe no one at ENEB knows the real answers to these questions. I'm understanding of people in the organization not knowing every detail about a new offering a couple days after it gets dropped on them. It might not be their fault. Would ENEB make this deal, send out an email after hours and tell the employees about it the next day? From my dealings with ENEB that is more plausible than I would prefer. Nonetheless, my understanding lessens when both time and financial scarcity tactics are used during each point of contact while not being able to answer my direct and reasonable questions. This is my third contact with ENEB on this matter and there are still no answers.
The cynic in me expects the communication to get a lot clearer when the price goes up October 1.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Voldigoad - 09-18-2025
It would help if ENEB included terms/specific with their Hotmart sales. I saw other products on Hotmart and it definitely is possible. What happened with Uniseb, and all other eneb sales before is that we get a nicely written ad that sounds great and a link to a payment for a product with no more information than the title of the product. So, when later they change their terms or something you don't have any proof of what you actually bought and to what conditions.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 09-18-2025
It really might not be the employees' fault for not knowing, as this information must be disseminated to them from above. I think many people are somewhat happy with ENEB and displeased with ENEB at the same time.
Well we have some definitive answers here from Italy.
https://www.cimea.it/EN/pagina-qualifiche-del-sistema-universitario
Whether is a 1st level or 2nd level, neither grant access to a Doctorate level programme in Italy.
Primo Livello is a second cycle program, with 60 ECTS via the Bologna Process, and is EQF Level 7 as are all postgraduate certs, diplomas, and degrees in the UK.
Secondo Livello is considered a third cycle program, so it is grouped with doctorate degrees and is EQF Level 8. Thus it is the highest level, non doctorate professional degree achievable in Italy. It does not however, allow access to a PhD program in Italy.
Whereas a Laurea Magistrale, although is a second cycle program, is 120 ECTS and can be used to go into a PhD programme. Technically it is a EQF Level 7 but it opens up the door to a PhD in Italy. Laurea Magistrale is an academic degree, whereas the Livello 1 and 2 are professional degrees.
Primo Livello is still above a titulo propio and may get RA accredited evaluations provided there is a thesis completed. Through the Bologna process and ECTS, it is a step above the propio because of the thesis, as well as being recognized by the Italian government (Official).
Secondo Livello is definitely much better than a Propio and is an outstanding professional achievement
So it doesn't look like a huge deal, but it is a little better either way. At the end of the day, if we learn something more, and we have a nice award to show for it, I think it can be worth it.
Also, if we think about it logically, the Italian system goes something like this
Bachelor's to Laurea Magistrale (2 year Master's 120 ECTS) = Qualifies for entry to PhD programmes.
Bachelor's to 1st level Master's (Master Universitario Di Primo Livello 60 ECTS) = Qualifies for entry to Level 2 Master's and possibly DBA in the UK and US, etc.
Bachelor's and 1st Level Master's (60 ECTS) to 2nd Level Master's (60 ECTS) = 300 ECTS total from 3 degrees and a Thesis: More likely to qualify for DBA in the UK and US, etc.
- If it is a transfer, the 60 ECTS from ENEB, the titulo Proprio can be accepted by Unimarconi as a first level master's, and thus awards a 2nd level master's. That would make some sense. Arguably there would be no substantive transfer of anything, it is more like a marketing scheme to enroll students, making them feel like they got some transfer credit.
- The other scenario is that they cannot accept the titulo propio as a first-level master's, so they allow the transfer of completed ENEB coursework, add more requirements such as an exam and thesis, which helps earn a 60 ECTS first level Italian Master's. - This is entirely plausible.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - JC39 - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 11:23 AM)irvineboy Wrote:So was it actually better to have bought the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) plus the 3 dual master’s (6 total)?(09-18-2025, 04:23 AM)JC39 Wrote: I just received my evaluation report (attached below) from ECE for 4 programs, and I’m wondering if anyone can confirm something for me.
Was it actually better to have purchased the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) and the 3 dual master’s (6)?
From my report, the Global Master came out to 45 units, while each dual master’s program is shown as 36 units. If I had taken all of these as individual master’s degrees instead of bundled programs, would the unit totals have been different (or higher), or would it end up the same?
Just trying to understand if there’s an advantage to going with the bundled programs versus individual ones when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
Thanks for sharing and wow that took a long time. Looks like it would have been the same amount of credits either way. Let us know if you get them transfered and how that goes!
Here’s what I see in my report:
• Global Master = 45 units
• Each Dual Master’s = 36 units
If I had taken all of these as separate individual master’s programs instead of bundled ones, would the unit totals have come out higher? Or is it the same either way?
Basically, I’m trying to figure out if there’s any real advantage to buying them individually vs. bundled when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
Also, if I had bought all 9 single master’s degrees during the May Red Sale instead of going with the bundled route, would that have given me 9 separate evaluations (almost like 9 different bachelor equivalencies)? Or does ECE just “chunk” them into the same amount of credit regardless?
A little confused here and kind of bummed if I lost out, unless the credit totals end up the same. Can anyone confirm?
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - irvineboy - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 04:21 PM)JC39 Wrote:(09-18-2025, 11:23 AM)irvineboy Wrote:So was it actually better to have bought the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) plus the 3 dual master’s (6 total)?(09-18-2025, 04:23 AM)JC39 Wrote: I just received my evaluation report (attached below) from ECE for 4 programs, and I’m wondering if anyone can confirm something for me.
Was it actually better to have purchased the individual master’s degrees instead of the 1 Global Master (3 combined) and the 3 dual master’s (6)?
From my report, the Global Master came out to 45 units, while each dual master’s program is shown as 36 units. If I had taken all of these as individual master’s degrees instead of bundled programs, would the unit totals have been different (or higher), or would it end up the same?
Just trying to understand if there’s an advantage to going with the bundled programs versus individual ones when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
Thanks for sharing and wow that took a long time. Looks like it would have been the same amount of credits either way. Let us know if you get them transfered and how that goes!
Here’s what I see in my report:
• Global Master = 45 units
• Each Dual Master’s = 36 units
If I had taken all of these as separate individual master’s programs instead of bundled ones, would the unit totals have come out higher? Or is it the same either way?
Basically, I’m trying to figure out if there’s any real advantage to buying them individually vs. bundled when it comes to credit/unit evaluation.
Also, if I had bought all 9 single master’s degrees during the May Red Sale instead of going with the bundled route, would that have given me 9 separate evaluations (almost like 9 different bachelor equivalencies)? Or does ECE just “chunk” them into the same amount of credit regardless?
A little confused here and kind of bummed if I lost out, unless the credit totals end up the same. Can anyone confirm?
I can only confirm that they gave me 30 for each Masters, I actually had tje MBA + Masters deal but I submitted each individually so ended up with 60.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - JC39 - 09-18-2025
Here is my current ECE course-by-course evaluation, and I wanted to ask for clarification.
Current Evaluation:
- Global Master (bundled) → 45 credits
- Three dual masters → 36 credits each
- Total = 153 credits
- All counted as bachelor-equivalents
- Instead of the Global Master, I could have taken my Global MBA individually, which includes:
- MBA – Master of Business Administration
- Master in Big Data and Business Intelligence
- Master in Project Management
- Diploma of Specialization in Innovation and Project Management
Costs I actually paid:
- Three dual masters → $349 each × 3 = $1,047
- Global Master → $649
- Total = $1,696
Questions:
- Would I have gotten 9 U.S. bachelor-equivalents instead of 4?
- Would I have benefited from doing them individually, or would ECE still have counted overlapping courses and given roughly the same total credits?
ENEB New Master Thread - NotJoeBiden - 09-18-2025
Why would you need four bachelors degrees, let alone nine?
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - Nemfis - 09-18-2025
NARIC Ukraine refused to recognize a Master’s degree from Universidad Isabel I (via ENEB). The official reason was that the de facto studies were completed at ENEB, which is not an accredited university. Updated Wiki.
RE: ENEB New Master Thread - MedicOne - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 08:08 PM)NotJoeBiden Wrote: Why would you need four bachelors degrees, let alone nine?
Why not?