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To Mirandize or Not? - Farmerboy - 05-06-2010
Hello All!
As most of you probably know, I am not a big fan of our current administration. However, I also try to not be completely biased and look for good in even the most unlikely places!
With that being said what do you all think of how the Gitmo detainee's, the Christmas bomber, and the Times Square bomber were treated specifically in regard to prosecuting them through our civilian court system and the reading of their "Miranda" rights? If you were in charge how would you run the interrogation and trials? This isn't the typical "left vs right" issue so I am interested in seeing what type of "takes" people have.
To Mirandize or Not? - mightymouse - 05-07-2010
I think they are doing a good job. Terrorism is a politically sensitive issue. This isnt some normal assault case they are processing. There are multiple Federal charges being filed, and they need to take their time in gathering all of the evidence, crossing their T's and dotting I's.
You dont rush people like this through the system, ofcourse it is their right to a "speedy trial" however when you attempt to blow up dozens of people in a crowded Times Square, that speediness is going to be stretched as far as possible. The courts understand this.
As far as miranda rights go, ofcourse they will have their rights read and afforded a lawyer to defend them. They should receive the same treatment in that regard. However, when it comes to the interrigation, the FBI/CIA need to bring in the big guns (Experienced Interrogators) who can connect the suspect to the big picture (Terrorist cells in Pakistan).
I think they are doing a good job.
To Mirandize or Not? - ShotoJuku - 05-10-2010
[COLOR="Navy"][B]Screw Miranda for these terrorists!
If they want to go home, we should strap them to a smart bomb and send it right back to their training camp! :iagree: [/COLOR][/B]
To Mirandize or Not? - jacanyardie - 05-10-2010
ShotoJuku Wrote:[COLOR="Navy"][B]Screw Miranda for these terrorists!
If they want to go home, we should strap them to a smart bomb and send it right back to their training camp! :iagree: [/COLOR][/B]
Shoto,,,,
Oh wise one......While I share your sentiments, we will ALL be screwed. We must learn from HISTORY.....
To Mirandize or Not? - ShotoJuku - 05-10-2010
jacanyardie Wrote:Shoto,,,,
Oh wise one......While I share your sentiments, we will ALL be screwed. We must learn from HISTORY.....
Yes, I learned from history on 9/11/01 that THREE of my friends (all LEO's) were KILLED in the WTC because of terrorism and that those responsible (TERRORISTS) do not have names like Miranda, Escobedo, Mapp, Gideon, etc. and are not guaranteed the same inalienable rights that we, as AMERICAN CITIZENS are provided. :patriot:
To Mirandize or Not? - martialartist - 05-10-2010
We really do need to take a step back and think with-out letting emotions cloud our better judgment. The Times Square bomber was a US citizen, so not Mirandizing him would have led to information crucial to get a conviction being toss out. What perplexes me is that we all cry for 2nd amendment, first amendment, but still feels that we can cherry pick the constitution. If we desire a change to the law, then we should add a 28th amendment.
As to how I feel abnout the issue, we the Times Square bomber was handled correctly, but gitmo detainees should be treated like the animals they are.
To Mirandize or Not? - jacanyardie - 05-10-2010
martialartist Wrote:We really do need to take a step back and think with-out letting emotions cloud our better judgment. The Times Square bomber was a US citizen, so not Mirandizing him would have led to information crucial to get a conviction being toss out. What perplexes me is that we all cry for 2nd amendment, first amendment, but still feels that we can cherry pick the constitution. If we desire a change to the law, then we should add a 28th amendment.
As to how I feel abnout the issue, we the Times Square bomber was handled correctly, but gitmo detainees should be treated like the animals they are.
DITTO.....:iagree:
Shoto...I am sooooo sorry for your loss.......Please remember we/I look to you for guidance..........
To Mirandize or Not? - Chebasaz - 05-10-2010
Hmm, tough one. In my humble opinion, Miranda should only be used for US Citizens. My justification is that US Citizens are the only ones that should be tried by our normal court system. If the accused terrorist is a US Citizen, then they get afforded every right under our Constitution. If they're not, well then things start getting legally grey.
Thankfully, Military Commissions were created to handle that legal grey area. I've sat through enough of them to know they take the job seriously. The problem arises when we try to compare those Military Commissions to the US Court system. They're not the same thing. It's like comparing apples to automobiles. They exist because an international terrorist is not the same as a US Citizen criminal.
As always, just my opinion. Good question though!
To Mirandize or Not? - Farmerboy - 05-10-2010
martialartist Wrote:As to how I feel abnout the issue, we the Times Square bomber was handled correctly, but gitmo detainees should be treated like the animals they are.
I agree with martialartist, the TS bomber was handled as required by the current interpretation of the Constitution. I was very much against the mirandizing of the underwear bomber but this case is different because he is a citizen. Now how he was allowed to become a citizen in the first place???