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CCU Issues in Texas?? - sky_light - 10-25-2007 I found this article off another website, and I am appalled at the state of TX for such labeling of CCU. I am a current student of CCU myself, and can testify to the fact that CCU is not a fraudulent or diploma mill institution. Texas needs to do their homework when it comes to accreditation and stating the facts about an institution!!!!!!!! The Beaumont Enterprise - LU prof burned by 2nd degree from distance ed program CCU Issues in Texas?? - Katterina - 10-25-2007 Frankly, I wonder how it would be legal for the state of Texas to discount legitimately accredited degrees, much less prosecute people for using them. The DETC is an accreditor that is authorized by the US Department of Education. I understand that the CCU doctorate degrees were never accredited by the DETC, but to consider all CCU degrees unaccredited is simply ignorant. CCU Issues in Texas?? - ShotoJuku - 10-25-2007 [SIZE="2"]I believe what is at issue here are any pre-DETC accreditation Ph.d degrees issued at CCU years ago prior to CCU gaining DETC accreditation which all current programs enjoy now. [/SIZE] CCU Issues in Texas?? - Basket Weaver - 10-26-2007 :mad: Freaking great...the town of Beaumont is exactly 13 miles from where I grew up...and the college (Lamar University) is where my sister received her RN. I'm never going to hear the end of this. Brian, I too understand what the intent was of the article, however that's not what it said...in fact it was quite clear in calling CCU a diploma mill. Quote:Chavez said the number of "diploma mills" or institutions that award academic degrees with substandard or no academic study are on the rise, prompting the legislation that makes using degrees from these schools illegal. The law went into effect on Sept. 1, 2005. Advertisement Quote:California Coast University is one on a list of about 400 institutions compiled by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board that have not been approved and whose degrees cannot be used in Texas. In fact, degrees from those institutions are described as "fraudulent" or "substandard." I don't want to be forced to defend the college everytime its name gets drug through the mud. Finding a job after I retire will be difficult enough without employers thinking I have a bogus degree. I will be calling CCU today, they need to take action on this. :mad: CCU Issues in Texas?? - sky_light - 10-26-2007 Several things must be done here: 1. What makes the claims of TX against CCU valid? The state of TX must prove these claims against CCU, or "back-off" from their claims and issue necessary apologies for defaming the school, its students and misleading the public. 2. To undermine a school is one thing, but to undermine the DETC which is a respectable accrediting body recognized by the U.S. Department of Education is another thing. The DOE & DETC "must take immediate action" to protect institutions under their span of accreditation. About the DETC: DETC 3. Labeling an accredited institution "fraudulent" or a "diploma mill" is a serious charge. CCU must defend it's honor by legally challenging the state of TX in this situation - to protect both its reputation and student body from these damaging claims of fraud. I hope to see a positive outcome from all of this, since a state cannot define and impose its own set of educational standards which totally oppose the set standards defined by the U.S. Government and its agencies. CCU Issues in Texas?? - Basket Weaver - 10-26-2007 I just got off the phone with a professor at CCU. He stated that this has been addressed before at the Texas Supreme Court; indeed Texas does NOT recognize DETC as an accreditation agency. Since this is a direct violation of federal law, many people are confronting them about it. Until it's resolved, I can not work in my home state because they will not honor my degree:mad: . Keep in mind, this goes way beyond CCU, many distance learning degree programs are being discriminated against by this idiotic Texas ruling. After years of listening to Texas jokes, I see that many of them were fairly accurate. ![]() I also just sent the author of the article a mail which I enclosed here for your viewing pleasure; may I encourage others concerned about this issue to do the same. Talking and whining about it doesn't do any good; taking action does. Quote:Rose Ybarra, Anyways, I gave CCU the website address of the article; they stated they would be conferring with the dean and the legal department. Thanks to sky_light to bringing it to everyone's attention. CCU Issues in Texas?? - barcotta - 10-27-2007 Despite the fact that I have no connection with DETC or CCU, I find ignorance of this magnitude enraging. You could write pages on the lunacy of that article and the concept in general, but I chose to focus my rage into sarcasm and submitted the following as a response to the article. I'll send it to the writer as well. Quote:I find this article alarmingâas it seems wholly inadequate that the information contained herein is available primarily for residents of the state of Texas and possibly only they are taking a stand against fraudulent institutions and their even more fraudulent accreditors. This problem has the potential to destroy the credibility of the United States government and our entire education system. I understand the following from this article: CCU Issues in Texas?? - Katterina - 10-27-2007 barcotta Wrote:What does this have to do with Governor Perry? Well, I found the following at the WGU website: Brilliant!!! Oh my goodness, I can't stop laughing! I sent a strongly worded message directly to the Board yesterday using this link: THECB > Contact Us Mine wasn't nearly as thrilling as yours, though. I hope they get the pleasure of reading yours! CCU Issues in Texas?? - Katterina - 11-11-2007 Was the issue resolved? Their list of unaccredited/ illegal schools still shows CCU, but refers to CCU degrees prior to 2005 (when CCU became DETC accredited). So now- if a CCU doctoral student finished their degree in 2005 or later, I guess their degree is considered accredited by that list, even though those degrees were never approved by the DETC? Way to go, Texas Board. ![]() CCU Issues in Texas?? - barcotta - 11-15-2007 Katterina Wrote:Was the issue resolved? Their list of unaccredited/ illegal schools still shows CCU, but refers to CCU degrees prior to 2005 (when CCU became DETC accredited). Katterina: Thanks for the follow-up! It looks like Lee is in the process of moving back to the states and hasn't been in touch in a while, so he may not even know this. This change reminds me of my other great pet peeve--the DSST calculator dilemma. In an effort to "clarify" the types of calculators that are permissible, they defined a calculator that doesn't exist by simply inserting "four-function" into the description. Clear as mud. This one is even more fascinating. Clearly our correspondence (and others I'm sure) had some impact. Their description of CCU degrees now reads as follows: "No accreditation from a CB recognized accreditor. This refers to degrees issued before 2005." This, of course, implies that they now recognize the DETC. However, the only other documentation I found on the site that listed recognized accreditors does not yet list them. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet. Interestingly, it lists a couple of bible/theological accrediting agencies--an acknowledgement of their geographical location in the bible belt, no doubt. Didn't CCU stop conferring doctorates in 2005 when they received their DETC accreditation? If so, then this description should be OK--but they should also add the DETC to their list of recognized accreditors. Otherwise, they show recognition of post-2005 CCU degrees here--but they don't show recognition of CCU's accreditor. Lee should be greatly encouraged by the fact that they moved on this at all--and in the right direction. There's power in the truth. |