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New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - Alpha - 10-09-2022
For some, the D. Eng. might be more attractive than a PhD
https://www.psu.edu/news/world-campus/story/world-campus-adds-engineering-doctoral-program/
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - ifomonay - 10-10-2022
I saw this. It's intriguing because they say it has the equivalent rigor as a Ph.D. But then I wonder why don't they just call it a Ph.D.? I'm assuming it's because they don't want to annoy the on-campus Ph.D. students.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - MNomadic - 10-10-2022
(10-10-2022, 08:07 PM)ifomonay Wrote: I saw this. It's intriguing because they say it has the equivalent rigor as a Ph.D. But then I wonder why don't they just call it a Ph.D.? I'm assuming it's because they don't want to annoy the on-campus Ph.D. students.
It seems to be a similar structure to other D.Eng programs I looked into through George Washington University. I think the key differentiator between it and a PhD is it's more focused on practical application in industry rather than theoretical research in academia. That's my take on it, anyway.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - Alpha - 10-10-2022
I've imagined that the D. Eng vs. PhD is similar to the DBA vs. PhD. It's a professional degree, not a research degree.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - sialiblo - 10-10-2022
(10-10-2022, 08:36 PM)MNomadic Wrote:(10-10-2022, 08:07 PM)ifomonay Wrote: I saw this. It's intriguing because they say it has the equivalent rigor as a Ph.D. But then I wonder why don't they just call it a Ph.D.? I'm assuming it's because they don't want to annoy the on-campus Ph.D. students.
It seems to be a similar structure to other D.Eng programs I looked into through George Washington University. I think the key differentiator between it and a PhD is it's more focused on practical application in industry rather than theoretical research in academia. That's my take on it, anyway.
Also similar to D.Tech from Purdue, but this PSU require much less credits, 45 credits vs. Purdue 90 credits (60 for MS transfer).
(10-10-2022, 09:14 PM)Alpha Wrote: I've imagined that the D. Eng vs. PhD is similar to the DBA vs. PhD. It's a professional degree, not a research degree.
I believe both are research oriented degrees, but PhD tackles more fundamental/theoretical problems that might have no practical values for a long time, while D.Eng/D.Tech tackles applied problems and has immediate practical values today.
In Ph.D program someone might produced dissertation that no one read or care about and completely useless as of now, but someone else might found its practical values someday, maybe decades later. On the other hand, D.Eng/D.Tech program is designed to produce dissertation that has immediate practical values and useful right now, not decades later.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - ifomonay - 10-11-2022
(10-10-2022, 10:15 PM)sialiblo Wrote:See, that's the danger in getting a D.Eng instead of a Ph.D. Most people believe that D.Eng is a professional degree, when in fact it is a research degree. If you look at other universities (including this one at Penn State), the requirements for a D.Eng is exactly the same as getting a Ph.D. But the perception is that D.Eng. is like a PhD-lite, which it isn't. I would rather not have to explain to every prospective employer that a D.Eng is a research degree like a Ph.D. I would rather just get a Ph.D. to avoid all that/(10-10-2022, 08:36 PM)MNomadic Wrote:(10-10-2022, 08:07 PM)ifomonay Wrote: I saw this. It's intriguing because they say it has the equivalent rigor as a Ph.D. But then I wonder why don't they just call it a Ph.D.? I'm assuming it's because they don't want to annoy the on-campus Ph.D. students.
It seems to be a similar structure to other D.Eng programs I looked into through George Washington University. I think the key differentiator between it and a PhD is it's more focused on practical application in industry rather than theoretical research in academia. That's my take on it, anyway.
Also similar to D.Tech from Purdue, but this PSU require much less credits, 45 credits vs. Purdue 90 credits (60 for MS transfer).
(10-10-2022, 09:14 PM)Alpha Wrote: I've imagined that the D. Eng vs. PhD is similar to the DBA vs. PhD. It's a professional degree, not a research degree.
I believe both are research oriented degrees, but PhD tackles more fundamental/theoretical problems that might have no practical values for a long time, while D.Eng/D.Tech tackles applied problems and has immediate practical values today.
In Ph.D program someone might produced dissertation that no one read or care about and completely useless as of now, but someone else might found its practical values someday, maybe decades later. On the other hand, D.Eng/D.Tech program is designed to produce dissertation that has immediate practical values and useful right now, not decades later.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - Silvious - 10-11-2022
The Professional degree version would be the Degree of XXX Engineer. It's 2 years after my master, and only a handful of institutes offer this option and are major-specific (ex Stanford, Steven, ...). I think that the D.Eng is still a generic doctorate and not an actual Engineer degree.
Ph.D. also requires novelty and the research incorporates some new factors toward public knowledge. D.Eng's research topic is more practical and doesn't go through the same scrutinize for the major.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - life_learner - 10-12-2022
There are a few flavors of DBA programs: same as PhD, research light, non research.
As a current DBA student in a R1 university and an AACSB accredited business school, the difference between PhD and DBA comes down to the reading list for each course is shorter and the dissertation is shorter, even though it's still research focused (curriculum consists of research methods and research seminars). Since this is a part time program and all the students have full time job, the program has to be research light.
If I recall correctly, some universities just have full time DBA program, not PhD program. In that case, the requirement is probably the same as the requirement for PhD program.
A lot of DBA programs are not research focused. One can figure that out by looking at the curriculum (overview of this and overview of that, and a capstone/project instead of dissertation)
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - sanantone - 10-12-2022
Just because a program isn't a PhD doesn't mean it isn't research-oriented. A PhD's dissertation is supposed to focus on theory and adding new knowledge to the literature. If a doctoral program isn't doing that, then a name other than "Doctor of Philosophy" is more appropriate.
RE: New D.Eng. degree at PSWC - ifomonay - 06-15-2025
Sorry to bring up a dead thread, but I thought of bringing it back up because a lot has changed over the last few years. The whole AI /ML discipline has changed due to GenAI, ChatGPT, etc and there is a huge need for people with advanced skills in these areas. I changed my mind about the D.Eng. I think it is a worthwhile endeavor. In fact, I noticed over the past few years, a bunch of highly ranked schools are offering it now, JHU, Berkeley, TAMU, Columbia, GWU, Purdue, PSU. Maybe when I have time, I'll create a new post summarizing the various programs. Here's an interesting twist. I've been doing a lot of research, and it seems like the D.Eng, is geared for those who want to go/stay in the industry, and Ph.D. is oriented to those who want to go into academia. The irony is that academics (ie professors) are very well aware of the DEng, while the industry is not quite aware of the D.Eng degree. I think another "secret" is that although the D.Eng, is considered non-academia, graduates can be and are hired in tenure-track positions, publish research, and serve on doctoral committees for Ph.D candidates.