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One of my friends is asking for some advice... which would be a stronger degree to have... considering the circumstances...
he would qualify automatically for the Natural Sciences/Math Degree from Thomas Edison
Thomas Edison State College | BA in Natural Sciences/Mathematics Credit Distribution
or the
Charter Oak State College BSLS Concentration in Biology
Biology Concentration, Major - Charter Oak State College
http://www.charteroak.edu/Current/Forms/...ogyCPS.doc
now he automatically qualifies for the Natural Sciences Degree, but would have to take the Biology GRE to receive the Biology Degree...
i tried to be of service... but my opinion was mixed....
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I voted for the TESC Natural Sciences degree. If he already has all the work done for it, then go that route and don't stress over a GRE. If he plans on going to grad school then he might possibly have to sit the GRE anyway, but his transcript that he sends off to the grad schools will look a bit better with the classes listed out that the admissions folks might be looking for instead of GRE credit.
Is cost an issue? Time? What is this degree for: personal enrichment, job advancement, or grad school? There are other factors that might convince me to change my vote, but from what you have said, I would go for the Natural Sciences degree and be done.
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alissaroot Wrote:I voted for the TESC Natural Sciences degree. If he already has all the work done for it, then go that route and don't stress over a GRE. If he plans on going to grad school then he might possibly have to sit the GRE anyway, but his transcript that he sends off to the grad schools will look a bit better with the classes listed out that the admissions folks might be looking for instead of GRE credit.
Is cost an issue? Time? What is this degree for: personal enrichment, job advancement, or grad school? There are other factors that might convince me to change my vote, but from what you have said, I would go for the Natural Sciences degree and be done.
well he simply wants a degree this year. The TESC NS degree can be given by July 1. The GRE Bio requires a 40% score, which may or may not be hard. But if its done he would have it by possibly Oct 1st. Charter Oak would be the cheaper school to go to by 1 thousand since he's not a NJ resident. He has all the requirements b/c he was pre-med. His major GPA would be about a 2.49 at TESC with 26 graded credits or a 2.32 major gpa at Charter Oak with 13 graded credits. Slightly different courses would apply to each degree.
The degree isn't really grad school, but is more for job advancement where a science degree is required.
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Intro to Computers 426 -Current System - p/f = pass * Intro to Modern Middle East Studies - 61/80
Human Cultural Geography - 61/80 * US History I - A -61/80
US History II - A 68/80 * Civil War - A 57/80
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creationstory Wrote:well he simply wants a degree this year. The TESC NS degree can be given by July 1. The GRE Bio requires a 40% score, which may or may not be hard. But if its done he would have it by possibly Oct 1st. Charter Oak would be the cheaper school to go to by 1 thousand since he's not a NJ resident. He has all the requirements b/c he was pre-med. His major GPA would be about a 2.49 at TESC with 26 graded credits or a 2.32 major gpa at Charter Oak with 13 graded credits. Slightly different courses would apply to each degree.
The degree isn't really grad school, but is more for job advancement where a science degree is required.
I still vote for the TESC degree. The GRE Biology won't be offered again until late October this year, so he will be in for a six month wait, then six more weeks after that for grades, then even more of a wait after that for it to be posted and applied to a degree. The TESC would be faster, although not cheaper. Unless cost is the biggest priority, then go with TESC. I am not sure how long TESC would take, but it would be awhile, too. Giving up to eight weeks for the evaluation, plus depending on whether or not he makes the cut off for graduation, he could be in for another three month wait after that. But still faster than the COSC would be with the GRE. So it depends on which is more important, cost or speed, with all other things being nearly the same. If it is cost, then COSC, if speed, then TESC.
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Understand that I know nothing whatsoever about this, but in my Meek and Lowly Ignorance I would speculate that a Natural Sciences degree might be better because it's broader and could theoretically springboard to a wider variety of options?
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I'd rather go the COSC route and get a Bachelor of Science degree than a Bachelor of Arts degree if the major is in science. If I were in the sciences field, I'd rather have a degree that said "Bachelor of Science".
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I second that.
jonasling Wrote:I'd rather go the COSC route and get a Bachelor of Science degree than a Bachelor of Arts degree if the major is in science. If I were in the sciences field, I'd rather have a degree that said "Bachelor of Science".
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If you were doing pure biology BS, then that's the clear winner- but I'm going to say they have the same utility because of the bio credits coming from the GRE, not labs, and because he is considering a BA vs BS.
On either plan, one could complete the bio degree and not even have 100/200 level labs done-let alone the 300/400 level labs and research. I don't think either would give you a leg up in "biology." Since grad school isn't a plan (today) it might be fine, but this person didn't expect to need a degree before...and does now, so you should always think long term. I think of this kind of degree of maybe as a stepping stone into a peripheral field like biostatistics or pharmaceutical sales.
I'm not a science person, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I am a person who works in a "hands on" field. And, hands on fields require...well...hands on. Missing labs, IMO, would be like me taking cooking out of my culinary program- and just studying food...but calling it culinary arts. That creates a bit of a mismatch between truth and perception- the name of the degree in that case isn't reflective of the skill set of a BS biology degree holder, for that reason I'd 100% pick the natural science degree.
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04-07-2009, 06:20 PM
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cookderosa Wrote:On either plan, one could complete the bio degree and not even have 100/200 level labs done *Not true* If you look at the COSC Concentration Plan of Study, it requires two biology labs. However, they may be lower level.
http://www.charteroak.edu/Current/Forms/...ogyCPS.doc
If you look at page 52 of their current catalog, they require 2 upper level labs if you are using the GRE route:
The GRE Subject Test in Biology, evaluated at 24 credits (15 lower, 9 upper), and at least 12 additional credits that must include two upper level laboratory courses.
Note that both the BA from TESC and BS from COSC are only concentrations NOT majors.
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jonasling Wrote:*Not true* If you look at the COSC Concentration Plan of Study, it requires two biology labs. However, they may be lower level.
http://www.charteroak.edu/Current/Forms/...ogyCPS.doc
If you look at page 52 of their current catalog, they require 2 upper level labs if you are using the GRE route:
The GRE Subject Test in Biology, evaluated at 24 credits (15 lower, 9 upper), and at least 12 additional credits that must include two upper level laboratory courses.
Note that both the BA from TESC and BS from COSC are only concentrations NOT majors. >>
Ok, thanks for pointing that out. However, it is still only 2 credit hours of lab (3+1 and 3+1), still too light to get my vote.
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