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Are all of today's teens/20-somethings dealing with entitlement issues?
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I know there's been quite a few people on the forums who've been in the job market, looking a new job, but this type of entitlement is ludicrious.

(Disclaimer - Article came to my attention through Fark, but I thought it was relevant, so I figured I'd share it with the forum.)

American Dream Is Elusive for New Generation

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American Dream Is Elusive for New Generation

GRAFTON, Mass. - After breakfast, his parents left for their jobs, and Scott Nicholson, alone in the house in this comfortable suburb west of Boston, went to his laptop in the living room. He had placed it on a small table that his mother had used for a vase of flowers until her unemployed son found himself reluctantly stuck at home.

The daily routine seldom varied. Mr. Nicholson, 24, a graduate of Colgate University, winner of a dean's award for academic excellence, spent his mornings searching corporate Web sites for suitable job openings. When he found one, he mailed off a rÃsumà and cover letter - four or five a week, week after week.

Over the last five months, only one job materialized. After several interviews, the Hanover Insurance Group in nearby Worcester offered to hire him as an associate claims adjuster, at $40,000 a year. But even before the formal offer, Mr. Nicholson had decided not to take the job.

Rather than waste early years in dead-end work, he reasoned, he would hold out for a corporate position that would draw on his college training and put him, as he sees it, on the bottom rungs of a career ladder.

"The conversation I'm going to have with my parents now that I've turned down this job is more of a concern to me than turning down the job," he said.

He was braced for the conversation with his father in particular. While Scott Nicholson viewed the Hanover job as likely to stunt his career, David Nicholson, 57, accustomed to better times and easier mobility, viewed it as an opportunity. Once in the door, the father has insisted to his son, opportunities will present themselves - as they did in the father's rise over 35 years to general manager of a manufacturing company.

"You maneuvered and you did not worry what the maneuvering would lead to," the father said. "You knew it would lead to something good."

Complicating the generational divide, Scott's grandfather, William S. Nicholson, a World War II veteran and a retired stock broker, has watched what he described as America's once mighty economic engine losing its pre-eminence in a global economy. The grandfather has encouraged his unemployed grandson to go abroad - to "Go West," so to speak.

"I view what is happening to Scott with dismay," said the grandfather, who has concluded, in part from reading The Economist, that Europe has surpassed America in offering opportunity for an ambitious young man. "We hate to think that Scott will have to leave," the grandfather said, "but he will."

The grandfather's injunction startled the grandson. But as the weeks pass, Scott Nicholson, handsome as a Marine officer in a recruiting poster, has gradually realized that his career will not roll out in the Greater Boston area - or anywhere in America - with the easy inevitability that his father and grandfather recall, and that Scott thought would be his lot, too, when he finished college in 2008.

"I don't think I fully understood the severity of the situation I had graduated into," he said, speaking in effect for an age group - the so-called millennials, 18 to 29 - whose unemployment rate of nearly 14 percent approaches the levels of that group in the Great Depression. And then he veered into the optimism that, polls show, is persistently, perhaps perversely, characteristic of millennials today. "I am absolutely certain that my job hunt will eventually pay off," he said.

For young adults, the prospects in the workplace, even for the college-educated, have rarely been so bleak. Apart from the 14 percent who are unemployed and seeking work, as Scott Nicholson is, 23 percent are not even seeking a job, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The total, 37 percent, is the highest in more than three decades and a rate reminiscent of the 1930s.

The college-educated among these young adults are better off. But nearly 17 percent are either unemployed or not seeking work, a record level (although some are in graduate school). The unemployment rate for college-educated young adults, 5.5 percent, is nearly double what it was on the eve of the Great Recession, in 2007, and the highest level - by almost two percentage points - since the bureau started to keep records in 1994 for those with at least four years of college.

Yet surveys show that the majority of the nation's millennials remain confident, as Scott Nicholson is, that they will have satisfactory careers. They have a lot going for them.

"They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut, the Pew Research Center's director. That helps to explain their persistent optimism, even as they struggle to succeed.

So far, Scott Nicholson is a stranger to the triumphal stories that his father and grandfather tell of their working lives. They said it was connections more than perseverance that got them started - the father in 1976 when a friend who had just opened a factory hired him, and the grandfather in 1946 through an Army buddy whose father-in-law owned a brokerage firm in nearby Worcester and needed another stock broker.

From these accidental starts, careers unfolded and lasted. David Nicholson, now the general manager of a company that makes tools, is still in manufacturing. William Nicholson spent the next 48 years, until his retirement, as a stock broker. "Scott has got to find somebody who knows someone," the grandfather said, "someone who can get him to the head of the line."

While Scott has tried to make that happen, he has come under pressure from his parents to compromise: to take, if not the Hanover job, then one like it. "I am beginning to realize that refusal is going to have repercussions," he said. "My parents are subtly pointing out that beyond room and board, they are also paying other expenses for me, like my cellphone charges and the premiums on a life insurance policy."

Scott Nicholson also has connections, of course, but no one in his network of family and friends has been able to steer him into marketing or finance or management training or any career-oriented opening at a big corporation, his goal. The jobs are simply not there.

The Millennials' Inheritance

The Great Depression damaged the self-confidence of the young, and that is beginning to happen now, according to pollsters, sociologists and economists. Young men in particular lost a sense of direction, Glen H. Elder Jr., a sociologist at the University of North Carolina, found in his study, "Children of the Great Depression." In some cases they were forced into work they did not want - the issue for Scott Nicholson.

Military service in World War II, along with the G.I. Bill and a booming economy, restored well-being; by the 1970s, when Mr. Elder did his retrospective study, the hardships of the Depression were more a memory than an open sore. "They came out of the war with purpose in their lives, and by age 40 most of them were doing well," he said, speaking of his study in a recent interview.
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The outlook this time is not so clear. Starved for jobs at adequate pay, the millennials tend to seek refuge in college and in the military and to put off marriage and child-bearing. Those who are working often stay with the jobs they have rather than jump to better paying but less secure ones, as young people seeking advancement normally do. And they are increasingly willing to forgo raises, or to settle for small ones.

"They are definitely more risk-averse," said Lisa B. Kahn, an economist at the Yale School of Management, "and more likely to fall behind."

In a recent study, she found that those who graduated from college during the severe early '80s recession earned up to 30 percent less in their first three years than new graduates who landed their first jobs in a strong economy. Even 15 years later, their annual pay was 8 to 10 percent less.

Many hard-pressed millennials are falling back on their parents, as Scott Nicholson has. While he has no college debt (his grandparents paid all his tuition and board) many others do, and that helps force them back home.

In 2008, the first year of the recession, the percentage of the population living in households in which at least two generations were present rose nearly a percentage point, to 16 percent, according to the Pew Research Center. The high point, 24.7 percent, came in 1940, as the Depression ended, and the low point, 12 percent, in 1980.

Striving for Independence

"Going it alone," "earning enough to be self-supporting" - these are awkward concepts for Scott Nicholson and his friends. Of the 20 college classmates with whom he keeps up, 12 are working, but only half are in jobs they "really like." Three are entering law school this fall after frustrating experiences in the work force, "and five are looking for work just as I am," he said.

Like most of his classmates, Scott tries to get by on a shoestring and manages to earn enough in odd jobs to pay some expenses.

The jobs are catch as catch can. He and a friend recently put up a white wooden fence for a neighbor, embedding the posts in cement, a day's work that brought Scott $125. He mows lawns and gardens for half a dozen clients in Grafton, some of them family friends. And he is an active volunteer firefighter.

"As frustrated as I get now, and I never intended to live at home, I'm in a good situation in a lot of ways," Scott said. "I have very little overhead and no debt, and it is because I have no debt that I have any sort of flexibility to look for work. Otherwise, I would have to have a job, some kind of full-time job."

That millennials as a group are optimistic is partly because many are, as Mr. Kohut put it, the children of doting baby boomers - among them David Nicholson and his wife, Susan, 56, an executive at a company that owns movie theaters.
The Nicholsons, whose combined annual income is north of $175,000, have lavished attention on their three sons. Currently that attention is directed mainly at sustaining the self-confidence of their middle son.

"No one on either side of the family has ever gone through this," Mrs. Nicholson said, "and I guess I'm impatient. I know he is educated and has a great work ethic and wants to start contributing, and I don't know what to do."

Her oldest, David Jr., 26, did land a good job. Graduating from Middlebury College in 2006, he joined a Boston insurance company, specializing in reinsurance, nearly three years ago, before the recession.

"I'm fortunate to be at a company where there is some security," he said, adding that he supports Scott in his determination to hold out for the right job. "Once you start working, you get caught up in the work and you have bills to pay, and you lose sight of what you really want," the brother said. He is earning $75,000 - a sum beyond Scott's reach today, but not his expectations. "I worked hard through high school to get myself into the college I did," Scott said, "and then I worked hard through college to graduate with the grades and degree that I did to position myself for a solid job." (He majored in political science and minored in history.)

It was in pursuit of a solid job that Scott applied to Hanover International's management training program. Turned down for that, he was called back to interview for the lesser position in the claims department.

"I'm sitting with the manager, and he asked me how I had gotten interested in insurance. I mentioned Dave's job in reinsurance, and the manager's response was, 'Oh, that is about 15 steps above the position you are interviewing for,' " Scott said, his eyes widening and his voice emotional.

Scott acknowledges that he is competitive with his brothers, particularly David, more than they are with him. The youngest, Bradley, 22, has a year to go at the University of Vermont. His parents and grandparents pay his way, just as they did for his brothers in their college years.

In the Old Days

Going to college wasn't an issue for grandfather Nicholson, or so he says. With World War II approaching, he entered the Army not long after finishing high school and, in the fighting in Italy, a battlefield commission raised him overnight from enlisted man to first lieutenant. That was "the equivalent of a college education," as he now puts it, in an age when college on a stockbroker's rÃsumà "counted for something, but not a lot."

He spent most of his career in a rising market, putting customers into stocks that paid good dividends, and growing wealthy on real estate investments made years ago, when Grafton was still semi-rural. The brokerage firm that employed him changed hands more than once, but he continued to work out of the same office in Worcester.

When his son David graduated from Babson College in 1976, manufacturing in America was in an early phase of its long decline, and Worcester was still a center for the production of sandpaper, emery stones and other abrasives.

He joined one of those companies - owned by the family of his friend - and he has stayed in manufacturing, particularly at companies that make hand tools. Early on, he and his wife bought the home in which they raised their sons, a white colonial dating from the early 1800s, like many houses on North Street, where the grandparents also live, a few doors away.

David Nicholson's longest stretch was at the Stanley Works, and when he left, seeking promotion, a friend at the Endeavor Tool Company hired him as that company's general manager, his present job.

In better times, Scott's father might have given his son work at Endeavor, but the father is laying off workers, and a job in manufacturing, in Scott's eyes, would be a defeat.

"If you talk to 20 people," Scott said, "you'll find only one in manufacturing and everyone else in finance or something else."

The Plan

Scott Nicholson almost sidestepped the recession. His plan was to become a Marine Corps second lieutenant. He had spent the summer after his freshman year in "platoon leader" training. Last fall he passed the physical for officer training, and was told to report on Jan. 16.

If all had gone well, he would have emerged in 10 weeks as a second lieutenant, committed to a four-year enlistment. "I could have made a career out of the Marines," Scott said, "and if I had come out in four years, I would have been incredibly prepared for the workplace."

It was not to be. In early January, a Marine Corps doctor noticed that he had suffered from childhood asthma. He was washed out. "They finally told me I could reapply if I wanted to," Scott said. "But the sheen was gone."

So he struggles to get a foothold in the civilian work force. His brother in Boston lost his roommate, and early last month Scott moved into the empty bedroom, with his parents paying Scott's share of the $2,000-a-month rent until the lease expires on Aug. 31.

And if Scott does not have a job by then? "I'll do something temporary; I won't go back home," Scott said. "I'll be a bartender or get work through a temp agency. I hope I don't find myself in that position."
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*cough* not all of them. But that one sounds like a spoiled brat Wink Both of my sisters (& most likely me) continued working at my dad's small business (making minimum wage, for crying out loud) until they found a job in their own field. My oldest sis searched for a job for almost nine months after passing her boards before she got one. Now she's an RN in a really good hospital, making quite decent money. My other sis is still holding her minimum wage job while she works part-time as a sign-language interpreter... [:

I'd say a lot of people in that age group have entitlement issues... but just remember what generation raised this one Big Grin
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I work hard at deliberately depriving my children daily, yet they too seem entitled. I'm being serious. Entitlement attitude is one of my pet peeves. I'm perplexed, but clearly it's cultural.
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I brought my children up in a small town of mixed wealth, but once they hit High School they met the "Rich Kids". I live near the boarder of Somerset and Hunterdon county NJ. Some of the richest towns in the country were around here. Kids got brand new cars for their birthday when they were old enough to drive, at high school graduation the list of top tier colleges to be attended was proudly announced. Millions of dollars in college education so these spoiled brats could " get the right start". Now some of these same kids are working at gas stations and Wal-marts taking the jobs my son with disabilities wishes he could get. The parents have lost the high paying jobs, they are mortgaged to the hilt and someonee needs to pay back the college loans. The parents have no retirement fund left it went for Juniors college. Like the kid in this article they sit home sending out resumes sure they will get the right job someday. The worst part is Mom and Dad don't know what to do, are we supposed to throw our "Perfect Child" who did it all the right way out on the street. The economy and the state of our nation has made us all take a second look at what we "Deserve or are entitled to":nopity: If any of that makes any sense I am trying to say our way of looking at things has changed and some in the 35 and below generation have never had to look from this angle before.

OK I will step off my soap box now.
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TMW2010 Wrote:When he found one, he mailed off a résumé and cover letter - four or five a week, week after week.
Well that's just unimpressive. When I was unemployed, I had four or five interviews a week that were results from the dozens of resumes and cover letters I was sending. Does he expect an HRM to knock on his door while he sits on his butt, moping?
Quote:Over the last five months, only one job materialized. After several interviews, the Hanover Insurance Group in nearby Worcester offered to hire him as an associate claims adjuster, at $40,000 a year. But even before the formal offer, Mr. Nicholson had decided not to take the job.
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A relative of mine is a graduate from Boston College who works at a fast food restaurant. Thankfully, she has a lot more humility than Mr.Nicholson and two months ago was promoted to Manager. Not the job she wants, but she is doing quite well for herself, working full time and still putting in much more effort in her job search than Mr. Nicholas is.
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As a community college instructor and a mother of a 17 yr old, I see this all the time. My older students are eager to get back to work, while my younger students, most but not all, are trying to figure out how to stay in school for more grant money and not have to go into the job market. I preach to my students to take a "foot in the door" job and be happy about it when they are entering a new career area. No matter, how old you are you have to start somewhere. Once in the door it is easier to move up, than get in from outside. The kids at my son's HS are such a mix from 50% on free lunch to kids with brand new BMW's or Jags for their 16th birthday! Wreck one, get a new one! I hate it. My kids do chores to earn money and have to pay for things they want. My son got his first job shortly after turning 16 and we made him save 50% of each check the rest could go into his checking account for gas and things he wanted. When he needed new tires, he had to share the cost. He got a 10 yr old car with 100,000 miles on it and he is proud to have it. A lot of these kids were raised during the economic good times when their parents just charged whatever they wanted without worrying about the cost, so now they have no basis in reality. I had my son sit down with me one day when I paid our bills. I only get paid once a month, so I usually pay the bills the day after payday. He thought I made great money until he saw it disappear in less than 30 minutes paying bills online! It made him realize the value of money and earning money. But some kids never get any exposure this "real life" until they are on their own. My neighbors sons are 25 and 22 both of them have dropped out of more colleges than I can count and the older one can't keep a job for anything. The younger one just doesn't want to go to school to become a PE teacher, he just wants to teach. Both have moved back home more times than I can count and even when they are moved out, the parents are paying most of the bills. It is sad, that they don't know how to live on their own. I worry about the state of our country when I'm old and feeble, will these types of kids be taking care of me and ensuring my kids have opportunities and a country to call home? Sometimes I think the good life ruined us all in some ways. I watch a lot of retro television shows from the late 60's & 70's and it amazes me how simple they lived and how little they made. Maybe we need to find a way back to simpler. We are trying it hear and it's nice. I can show you my freshly burned hand from trying to make my own plum preserves the other night! It isn't easy, but we want our kids to know you have other options besides buy, buy, buy!
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No, but I think the older somethings are dealing with over generalization issues.
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I must repeat: what generation raised this "entitled" generation? Would I be wrong to guess that it was most of your guys' generation? I'm not saying it's not a huge problem. It definitely is, but you can't cast all the blame in this direction.
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I don't blame the kids by any means. I blame the parents. I also think these are some of the same people that bought houses they couldn't afford, maxed out their credit cards that they now can't pay and those who generally couldn't afford the life they were trying to live. We all make choices, but I think some make better choices than others, my problem is the lack of responsibility they taught their kids. If I go overboard in my spending, I know I did it and I know how to fix it. But a lot of these people, parents and kids alike, have no clue on either count. So as we see all these foreclosures and bankruptcies flooding our battled economic system we have to step back and figure out where we went astray and how do we get back on track. My grandfather lived through the depression and owned a service station for 55 years. He never owned a credit card and for the last 45 years of his life he bought a new cadillac every 5 years, paying cash and never asking how much until he had to get the cash. He lived by the motto, "if you have to ask how much it is, you can't afford it and if can't pay cash for it, you can't afford it". I know families that buy everything on credit, that is what is warping so many young people into feeling they can and deserve anything they want...now. I just it as a piece of a much bigger societal problem with no one person or generation to blame. I know I'm more relaxed and less uptight about money and credit than my parents are and they are more so than, their parents that lived through the depression. I just worry it will worse before better. I guess with the intellegent smart young people here leading the way we will find a way out of this mess! I also have to add that the town we moved to 8 years ago has a 60% population on government assistance and some of the are multi-generational that feel they are owed this money and to not have to work because of the all the suffering and oppresion they suffered for so many years...I live in NC. I have had this yelled at me more than I can count when telling students they have to pay for their classes or their financial aid is running out. This was something I never ever saw before moving here, so yes, this has shaded my outlook a little more grim than some. Sorry! I have high hopes for my kids and those like Jennifer that are working hard to keep our kids responsible, but I see more of the opposite daily.
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