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Chadron State College distance courses
#1
After learning about Chadron State in the recent MBA thread, I looked at their undergrad options and found several interesting online courses, especially in MIS. They also have a Managerial Accounting option. Has anyone on the forum taken their courses, and what did think? Were you able to transfer credit to EC?

Phillip
CLEP Principles of Management 77
CLEP Intro to Sociology 74
CLEP Principles of Marketing 78
CLEP Information Systems and Computer Applications 75
CLEP Intro to Psychology 80
CLEP Intro Business Law 72
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics 73
CLEP A & I Lit 75
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics 72
CLEP Financial Accounting 62
DSST Ethics in America 468
DSST MIS 482
CLEP Natural Science 72
DSST Org Behavior 80
DSST Finance 462
#2
I decided to answer my own question by signing up for MIS 337 E-commerce via Chadron State College. Two days in a I'm a little overwhelmed, but it's mostly by the timing, starting a new class during midterm week in my other class, and right on the heels of a business trip. The work's doable if you know anything about the WWW and know computers well enough to get a good score on the Info Systems CLEP. There's a discussion question and reading & writing (1-2 pgs.) each week, a final, and a project where we develop a proposal for an e-commerce website. The assignments are all viewable from the first day of class so working ahead is a possibility. I figure I can handle anything for 8 weeks/3 UL semester credits. The admin staff at Chadron are a pleasure to work with and make it easy to sign up and get going.

If people are interested, I'll provide an update or 2 on how it goes.

Phillip
CLEP Principles of Management 77
CLEP Intro to Sociology 74
CLEP Principles of Marketing 78
CLEP Information Systems and Computer Applications 75
CLEP Intro to Psychology 80
CLEP Intro Business Law 72
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics 73
CLEP A & I Lit 75
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics 72
CLEP Financial Accounting 62
DSST Ethics in America 468
DSST MIS 482
CLEP Natural Science 72
DSST Org Behavior 80
DSST Finance 462
#3
philip


please keep us posted! i am interested in finding options for the managerial accounting credits needed and possibly the MIS class as well.

How much does it cost and how fast can you finish?
Pursuing B.S General Business (Start Date: APRIL 08)

Exams:
Sociology-51
I.S.C.A-51
Management-66
Marketing-56
[SIZE=1]Here's To Your Health-63

Supervision - 67
Intro to Business 63
H.R Management 59
Business Law - 55
M.I.S - 49

FEMA'S
18 credits

Traditional Credits
12 credits

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#4
Tuition is $505/3 credits. Fees and book (just 1 for this class) extra. My employer reimburses tuition, so I am happy with that. I'll sell the book and be out less than the cost of a CLEP, I estimate.

For those who are paying their own way, there are a couple Mgt Accounting options around that are cheaper, according to other posters. Since you don't need that one to be upper-level, may as well get the best deal.

You can do assignments at your own pace, but if you want credit for participating the prof expects you to be part of the discussions in the week they occur -- and it turns out the final isn't available until the last week, so eight weeks start to finish.

Phillip
CLEP Principles of Management 77
CLEP Intro to Sociology 74
CLEP Principles of Marketing 78
CLEP Information Systems and Computer Applications 75
CLEP Intro to Psychology 80
CLEP Intro Business Law 72
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics 73
CLEP A & I Lit 75
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics 72
CLEP Financial Accounting 62
DSST Ethics in America 468
DSST MIS 482
CLEP Natural Science 72
DSST Org Behavior 80
DSST Finance 462
#5
Here's an update on distance learning via Chadron State College. I hope it's helpful for anyone who needs credit where there's no exam.

I signed up because I need MIS electives. Where some people come to a MIS concentration with certifications, I only have experience. It's OK, some book learning on databases and Systems Analysis will be good for me. Data Communication was fun -- I tend to take the network for granted.

Chadron came up in a thread about MBA programs and I looked at the school on a lark. Chadron has upper-level MIS electives in Database Management, Systems Analysis & Design, Project Management, that follow common curricula (so I expect Excelsior to accept them, but I have not received approval) Their programming class appears to be about VBA, so I am taking programming (and Data Communication) at my community college.

Chadron's enrollment, registration, and administrative processes are top-notch, and service from the staff is great. I have been able to do everything via email. Jodi and Lisa in particular have been fantastic. Getting into this class was easy. In order to sign up for additional classes (with prerequisites), I had to write a brief summary of why I am ready for upper-level coursework (I have the credit hours and had already proved myself in the E-commerce class, so it wasn't too hard).

This class is about doing business on the Web. The book drives the content. It's a recent edition, which is good since it keeps things up-to-date and minimizes the incidence of 'look at this great influential trend' that has fizzled since the book came out. It's information-dense and the accompanying website is only OK in terms of ancillary material to study from. If you've read any of my other postings you know I like textbook websites with enough info that you don't need the book! The book's design is monochromatic with a blue theme, and while there are plenty of tables to summarize info, it's not chock full of eye-candy graphics that some texts have. You have to read to pass this class. You need to know the terms, but will not be tested on them -- it's more about concepts and applying them. Fortunately, each chapter has a summary that covers all the main points and if you are already knowledgeable about the subject matter, these make the reading go a lot faster.
There isn't that much interaction with the instructor, though I'm sure I could have got help if I needed it. If you want more than the book you have to find it yourself, which is of course not a problem for self-directed CLEPers. The work this term: 50-100 pages of reading and 1-2 pages of writing weekly. The first 4 assignments are pretty basic -- read and understand the chapter, visit one or more e-commerce Web sites and report on how what you see relates to what you read and bang together a report ; bringing in more sources than required has earned me full points and compliments on every assignment. The last 3 require a little more abstract thought and research outside the book. There's a cumulative final exam. Weekly discussion postings are required, as are responses to others' postings. The level of discourse is about what you would expect from inexperienced students at a little Midwestern college. If you have experience in business or have attended B&M schools on either coast, you may find it underwhelming. On the other hand, it's easy points. The final was three questions aimed at 'reflecting on my learning' in the class. I found it a bear because I don’t write well under a clock, and my browser crashed during the exam! That cost me an A on the final, but I made my A for the class. Content-wise, the final is just feeding back stuff from the reading and activities. There are no multiple-choice tests in this class.

How hard is this class compared to preparing for a CLEP? Way harder than Information Systems and Computer Applications, not as hard as Macroeconomics. It's part IT, part Management, part Marketing, and even with experience I think I am getting more out of the class having just taken the related CLEPs. Week 7 we do a tiny bit of reviewing company financial statements.

It's really awesome to walk away with 3 semester hours of upper-level A for two months' work. The 8-week term is hard, but kind of invigorating in a way. A business trip and a cold set me back in the readings and I thought I faced a marathon to get caught up for the cumulative final. As it turned out, I could have aced the final if I had made some notes ahead of time based on the outcomes in the syllabus.
Next term, I'm hitting my book before the class starts. Next up is Project management, and I'll provide an update if people are interested.

Bottom line, Chadron is great if you need electives unavailable elsewhere or want a taste of the college experience; it's cheaper than EC courses. As far as required courses without exam credit options, Chadron offers Managerial Accounting and Operations Management courses, though I would prefer the self-paced options discussed elsewhere in this forum.

Phillip
CLEP Principles of Management 77
CLEP Intro to Sociology 74
CLEP Principles of Marketing 78
CLEP Information Systems and Computer Applications 75
CLEP Intro to Psychology 80
CLEP Intro Business Law 72
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics 73
CLEP A & I Lit 75
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics 72
CLEP Financial Accounting 62
DSST Ethics in America 468
DSST MIS 482
CLEP Natural Science 72
DSST Org Behavior 80
DSST Finance 462
#6
Great feedback! Thanks for sharing.
Excelsior BSB - MIS concentration (119 credits in the bank)
#7
Here's an update on taking undergrad distance courses at Chadron State College. I took E-commerce in Fall of 2008 and Project Management in the first half of the Spring 2009 term. These are 8-week classes.

After two of these, I sort of have a system for pacing myself through the 8-week term. Vitamins, gingko biloba, and espresso figure prominently, as does planning for each coming week before it starts. (I also read half the book over the holiday break between terms.) Most of my weekend and Tuesday evening belong to Chadron. I fit my other class into Saturday morning and odd moments during the week. I have also decided that I would not try to learn an all-new subject at this pace. At the very least, I would read a general-audience book before the term starts.

Project management was a senior-year class and more challenging than E-commerce was last term. The content is aligned to the PMBOK; the book is well-organized and practical. The workload: discussion postings weekly, requiring about as much work as the weekly unit assignments. You have to respond substantively to at least two other class members. This can be tedious unless there are a couple other bright lights in the class, which in this case there were. The best tactic is to post early (this is where starting the week before comes in) so that the others have to work to say something that isn't just rehashing the same thing you said.

Weekly assignments required knowing the material in the chapter and completing a task such as a pareto chart and fishbone diagram, a 1-2 page paper on the importance of scope control, or fill out a spreadsheet template and explain what the result is about. There was less writing overall than the e-commerce class. Also, weekly we completed the textbook web-site's quizzes for credit. Easy. There were two exams, midterm and final, each consisting of 5 brief 'essays' and 25 multiple-choice. The multiple-choice items were comparable in content to the textbook site quizzes, but were not the same questions. They are timed, open-book, and if you have read the book well enough to know where to copy 1-2 lines from you can ace them. Yes, copying from the book is OK.

A neat feature of the class was a two-part "exploring Microsoft Project" assignment where I followed steps in the book that introduced the major features of Project. This exercise related the software to the concepts in the book; the items I turned in were selected screen shots of what I did using example files from the book and 2 pages on what I thought of Project and what kinds of projects I would use it for. The school has MS Academic Alliance, so I was able to download a free full version of Project 2007. Nice. In fact, the software I could download would have paid for the class.
Finally, there's a team exercise where 5 of us performed a simulated project over 5 weeks using the the course concepts and deliverables and a scenario from the book (starting a new business). For this project we had 3-8 deliverables weekly (mostly using templates) and a final presentation. I let myself be volunteered to play the team leader role; this added significantly to my workload. This was a new experience for me and I learned from it, though I'm not sure it was worth the extra credit! Three of us carried the project. I ended up finishing other people's tasks and making sure all the assignments met the professor's standards, sometimes uploading the work minutes before the deadline. This extra effort cost me an A in my beginning Java class and if I had known what was coming at me I would have handled it differently. Live and learn.

The professor. This term's professor -- a CPA and Phd student -- was clearly new to some aspects of the class, or to teaching, or something. She made good use of the technology, she was responsive. She was also obviously very busy and a bit disorganized. Kept asking us to change how we formatted assignments so she could print them for grading -- like she'd never thought of it before? None of this disrupted the class materially, but it seemed a bit odd.

Bottom line: I am satisfied I took the class. I'm not sure it's because I learned that much about project management -- having done it before -- although I am using the concepts in my other classes. The class also shed some light on practices at my company, many of which follow generally-recommended Project Management methods, and some of which don't. I walked away with a requirement fulfilled, a boost to my GPA and a few ideas I can use. Good enough. I have one more 8-week term with Chadron and then I go back to CLEP & DSST for a few months.

Phillip
CLEP Principles of Management 77
CLEP Intro to Sociology 74
CLEP Principles of Marketing 78
CLEP Information Systems and Computer Applications 75
CLEP Intro to Psychology 80
CLEP Intro Business Law 72
CLEP Principles of Macroeconomics 73
CLEP A & I Lit 75
CLEP Principles of Microeconomics 72
CLEP Financial Accounting 62
DSST Ethics in America 468
DSST MIS 482
CLEP Natural Science 72
DSST Org Behavior 80
DSST Finance 462
#8
Thanks for the update.
#9
Hello All!

I just wanted to know if there are any members on IC who have signed up for their MBA program (or any graduate degree for that matter)?

I know I'm a ways off from graduating with my undegrad degree but I'm still keeping my eyes upon for potential grad programs. I'm looking to do either an MBA or MPA (Master of Public Administration). I'm looking for a school that has a pretty good repute, is regionally accredited, and doesn't cost an arm-and-a-leg!!! I'd like to stay under $500 per credit hour.

If anybody has any suggestions...I'm all ears.

***I think we should start a separate thread for this because I'm sure there are lots of us who have questions about Graduate degree programs and it would be cool to have everything in one place***

Thanks for your help.

Peace be with you all.

From a loyal degree seeker,

Marshall
Thomas Edison State University (TESU)
Enrolled in BA in Liberal Studies - 105/120 Completed


Associate in Science, Excelsior College
#10
Hi Marshall,

Have you given any consideration to Charleston Southern University?

They have a good reputation, are a well known school with a B & M campus, (ncaa division 1 sports) and cost 470 per credit hour.

They have a few different specializations, and if your GPA is over 2.50 they DO NOT require the GMAT.

Charleston Southern University

We should start a new sticky thread where everyone posts details regarding the best MBA/grad school deals out there.


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