Doctoral level Certificates

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

I currently have five quarters (2.5 semesters) remaining in my doctorate. While it is regionally accredited, it is very much a generalist degree, without much specialization. 

Because of this, I am looking at potential post-doc options or doctoral level (not masters) certificates to gain more specialization.

I am aware that several private schools like Columbia Southern, Liberty, South College, and a few others offer doctoral level "advanced" or "executive" graduate certificates online. 

I have also found one post-doc program available through the European Scientific Institute (ESI) that provides a formal certificate of completion, and is offered both in a hybrid and a completely online format.

www.euinstitute.net/postdoc

Does anyone know of any other online doctoral-level certificates or online post-doc research programs ?

[SteveFoerster]

What goal are you trying to reach? What can you not do with the doctorate you are earning that you believe you would be able to do with a postdoctoral certificate?

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

What goal are you trying to reach? What can you not do with the doctorate you are earning that you believe you would be able to do with a postdoctoral certificate?

I am trying to move from being a first responder to a career in academia full-time. The doctorate is a DSci, not a PhD, which I know is preferred at most schools when hiring. Additionally as I said, the degree is very much a "generalist" program. So I am hoping that a postdoc with a research focus improves my odds of being hired by a college or university.

[Sagan]

"The doctorate is a DSci, not a PhD, which I know is preferred at most schools when hiring."

Not necessarily for at least three reasons.

First, is the Doctor of Science you're doing a scholarly or professional doctorate? This matters a LOT in university hiring.

Second, is your research what they want added to their repertoire? See, it's not just the degree; it's your research. Because your research defines you and what you will be to them. It's not just a project done to earn a degree; it's the entry point of your academic career.

Third, how badly does the school want you? The more that is, the less the specifics of the degree will mean to them. I had a colleague who worked at a university. They told her that to be promoted to provost, she had to have a doctorate. They didn't care in what or (mostly) from where. So, she enrolled in a part-time program at a different local university and they promoted her after she graduated. SHE was the thing that mattered, not the degree.

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"I am trying to move from being a first responder to a career in academia full-time"

Man, I wish someone would write a book on how to do that. There's a ton of information and literature about going the other way--from academia to industry. But nothing definitive on going the other way. It would make for a fascinating research project by constructing a grounded theory on how people do it. I've never cracked that nut.

[Mint Berry Crunch]

"I am trying to move from being a first responder to a career in academia full-time"

Man, I wish someone would write a book on how to do that. There's a ton of information and literature about going the other way--from academia to industry. But nothing definitive on going the other way. It would make for a fascinating research project by constructing a grounded theory on how people do it. I've never cracked that nut.

I would imagine the first two things would be (1) working your way up to completing your doctorate and (2) starting off anywhere within the academic institution. Whether that be in advising, business office, ambassador, etc. and work your way up from there.

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

"The doctorate is a DSci, not a PhD, which I know is preferred at most schools when hiring."

Not necessarily for at least three reasons.

First, is the Doctor of Science you're doing a scholarly or professional doctorate? This matters a LOT in university hiring.

Unfortunately it is very much a "taught" professional doctorate ... which is exactly what I was trying to AVOID when I selected this DSc, instead of a DPA... since historically a DSc is supposed to be both research focused and the equal of a PhD.

it is the lack of a thesis option or research focus in my current program that I am hoping a post doc research opportunity can (partly) fix.

As to questions 2 and 3... I have not been able to do any meaningful research to this point. And at present, I have no connections with any University that is "interested" in me at all.

I have previously applied for both full and part time positions in academia, based of my work experience and masters degrees, but have never made it to the interview stage.

My hope is to move from being a first responder and switch to academia full-time. The focus would be emergency/disaster management, homeland security, public policy, or national defense. 

I would be applying strictly on the basis of my degrees, my career has been 24 years in the fire service... without any direct work experience in those areas...but I hold a masters in each. Unfortunately my time as a first responder has not included any time with departments that provide retirement benefits... hence the major need for the switch.

[freeloader]

This may be overly simplistic, but professors are basically hired to do two things: teach and research. Having a PhD from an elite school is a good start and may well be a prerequisite for many academic jobs, but the universities still want faculty who can research and/or teach.

At this point, is another certificate going to do much for you? I genuinely wonder if it will unless, of course, it happens to be that PhD diploma from an elite institution.

Again, maybe it’s overly simplistic but it seems the best way for you to show you are a competent teacher and researcher is to teach and do research. A couple of good articles in well-respected journals in your field(s) and some adjunct teaching will, I suspect, do as much or more for you than a doctoral/post-doctoral certificate.

What, exactly, would such a certificate do for you? If you have a doctorate and are trying to become a professor, presumably you think you have advanced research skills. If not, then do what you need to do to develop them. That could be self study, could be working as a research volunteer with a faculty member working in your field(s), could be a post-doctorate (meaning a job at a university or think tank, not a certificate program), or something similar. There are also the MRes degrees from British universities (and some others that use the British system) that have little if any coursework and focus on writing a substantial piece of academic work.

I’m not trying to be rude, OP; please don’t take my comments that way. Is there something that I am missing though about what you hope such a certificate will do for you?

[FireMedic_Philosopher]

This may be overly simplistic, but professors are basically hired to do two things: teach and research. Having a PhD from an elite school is a good start and may well be a prerequisite for many academic jobs, but the universities still want faculty who can research and/or teach.

At this point, is another certificate going to do much for you?  I genuinely wonder if it will unless, of course, it happens to be that PhD diploma from an elite institution.

Again, maybe it’s overly simplistic but it seems the best way for you to show you are a competent teacher and researcher is to teach and do research. A couple of good articles in well-respected journals in your field(s) and some adjunct teaching will, I suspect, do as much or more for you than a doctoral/post-doctoral certificate.

What, exactly, would such a certificate do for you?  If you have a doctorate and are trying to become a professor, presumably you think you have advanced research skills. If not, then do what you need to do to develop them. That could be self study, could be working as a research volunteer with a faculty member working in your field(s), could be a post-doctorate (meaning a job at a university or think tank, not a certificate program), or something similar. There are also the MRes degrees from British universities (and some others that use the British system) that have little if any coursework and focus on writing a substantial piece of academic work.  

I’m not trying to be rude, OP; please don’t take my comments that way. Is there something that I am missing though about what you hope such a certificate will do for you?

You aren't coming across as rude.

The main purpose of the thread was to create a list of any known online doctoral-level certificates or post-doc opportunities available to online students.

I mentioned the certificate programs I was already familiar with and listed the web address for the one postdoc option I had found.

I may have caused the thread to go off topic when I mentioned why I personally am interested in such things.

But to answer your question succinctly, the hope would be to prove that I have research skills, given that the doctorate is A) not a PhD and B) professional in focus... I would personally very much like to get involved in publishable research.

[Sagan]

"...since historically a DSc is supposed to be both research focused and the equal of a PhD."

Hold on. Professional doctorates are "research focused," too. The distinction is that the research is focused on advancing practice, not scholarship (theory building and theory testing). That is why they are equal to the PhD. Except when a scholarly degree is required.

Traditionally, the Doctor of Science is a scholarly degree. But I was questioning that in your case from the context of your post. Thanks for clarifying.


"it is the lack of a thesis option or research focus in my current program"

There it is. Frankly, if it does not have a research component resulting in a dissertation/thesis or equivalent, it is not a doctorate. I don't care what they label it to be.

"I would be applying strictly on the basis of my degrees, my career has been 24 years in the fire service..."

Applying will get you nowhere. Especially with that degree (as you've described it). Engage. Have conversations. Offer value first. Seek to contribute, not to make money or get a job. Invest.

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"I am trying to move from being a first responder to a career in academia full-time"

Man, I wish someone would write a book on how to do that. There's a ton of information and literature about going the other way--from academia to industry. But nothing definitive on going the other way. It would make for a fascinating research project by constructing a grounded theory on how people do it. I've never cracked that nut.

I would imagine the first two things would be (1) working your way up to completing your doctorate and (2) starting off anywhere within the academic institution. Whether that be in advising, business office, ambassador, etc. and work your way up from there.

This makes solid sense and is consistent with the anecdote I shared. (She's now the university president.) Get in, get known, get trusted. Then move up. Good call!

[DegreeNerd]

This may be overly simplistic, but professors are basically hired to do two things: teach and research. Having a PhD from an elite school is a good start and may well be a prerequisite for many academic jobs, but the universities still want faculty who can research and/or teach.

This is why PhD students are often teaching classes, or at least tutoring them, during their years of doing a PhD. 

Both to earn some pocket change to survive on, but also to build up very valuable experience!