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Pierpont Associates (AAS) and UMPI Bachelor's degree Excel template
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(07-14-2022, 02:07 PM)EducationSeeker Wrote: SS20TS-

Good points. At the end of the day, he has to earn the degree. A lot of the acronyms with all of these degree programs is a lot to keep up with unless you are familiar with them which I am learning. Frankly, he needs the structure of getting a plan on executing it. He has ADHD and frankly has a hard time getting started and organized. If he has a clear plan with a very structured approach, he will do it. I am just trying to help him provide this structure and then he has to do it (or not). If I can help him cut through the fog and help him get a clear plan of action, I am going to do it. The rest is up to him.

If I am hearing you correctly, you think that having an initial discussion with UMPI would be a waste of time as they will not provide accurate information on transferring or what is left? At this point, we are only planning a Bachelor of Business Administration CBE Your Pace with a concentration in Mgmt and Leadership...that's it.

Thanks,

Education Seeker

I also have ADHD and a progressive autoimmune disease. I have the attention span of a gnat. 

Yes, the acronyms are a lot to keep up with. He needs to learn them. UMPI courses don't have a clear path with a very structured approach. You're on your own. Your classes open the first day of the session then it's all up to you. The only deadline is the last day to submit rough drafts and the last day to submit Final Assessments. The rest is up to you. Yes, there's the course content to read, the quizzes to complete, and the Milestones to be written, but there's literally no deadlines. No one there telling you what to do or when to do it. At best you have emails with the professor or an occasional Zoom that you schedule with the professor. If he isn't great with working on his own and making regular progress then UMPI is not the best place for him. 

As someone with ADHD I never in a million years would have imagined that I would have graduated Summa Cum Laude from UMPI with a 4.0. When I applied I was taking classes at CSU Global and not happy with so many discussions and how slow the classes progressed. I started looking for other options. I found this forum. It was right after Covid hit and with world shutdown. Sophia was free for a period of time so I took a few classes figuring what the heck. I loved being on my own schedule. I had a calendar where I wrote down my plan for the day and checked it all off. I created my own structure. Then I looked into UMPI. No one here had done much there at that point. I applied and became the guinea pig. I kept my calendar going with my daily plan and completed my coursework. It wasn't easy. There are many BAD days with ADHD where you can't concentrate long enough to take a sip of water without forgetting why you're holding a glass. It was definitely a challenge. I will not say it was easy. I found much of the coursework to be easy once I actually sat down and did it because I've been in the business world for over 20 years. The actual getting work done and staying on my schedule was extremely difficult. I, too, hate proctors so that limits my options for schools like TESU, EC, and WGU. 

Who have you scheduled the phone call with? Is it the person who called and emailed after filling out an info request on the UMPI website? If that's who your call is with then it's an enrollment specialist who can't help you with course transferring or what he has left. That's not what they do. They are there to help guide one through the application process. They're not even good at that. They're not UMPI employees. They're like used car salespeople.
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Thank you for sharing your personal journey and challenges you faced in your education. I appreciate your honesty. Once my son gets started and into a habit with a clear cut plan, he can execute. It's just getting started when he frankly got demotivated with school. He knows he needs the degree, but, it is just getting back into the swing of it and having the discipline to check the box and do the work.

Malaun Rice is the name of the enrollment counselor. I am beginning this would be a waste of time until he is ready to enroll.

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(07-14-2022, 03:34 PM)EducationSeeker Wrote: @ss20ts

Thank you for sharing your personal journey and challenges you faced in your education. I appreciate your honesty. Once my son gets started and into a habit with a clear cut plan, he can execute. It's just getting started when he frankly got demotivated with school. He knows he needs the degree, but, it is just getting back into the swing of it and having the discipline to check the box and do the work.

Malaun Rice is the name of the enrollment counselor. I am beginning this would be a waste of time until he is ready to enroll.

Education Seeker

The enrollment counselor can't help with credit transfers of any kind. They're really useless. My dogs know more about YourPace and they slept while I studied!

How is he doing with Sophia classes? Does he have a plan to work on a class? Like today work on Environmental Science. 2pm - 230pm Complete Unit 1, Challenge 2. That's what I ddi with a notebook and my Google Calendar. It really helped me stay on track and on focus. At 230 I'd have a 10 minute break to get a drink, bathroom, snack, whatever. Then go back to the next section for half an hour. It helped me with my UMPI classes too. Some days I just couldn't focus on anything. ADHD really does suck.
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(07-14-2022, 03:50 PM)ss20ts Wrote:
(07-14-2022, 03:34 PM)EducationSeeker Wrote: @ss20ts

Thank you for sharing your personal journey and challenges you faced in your education. I appreciate your honesty. Once my son gets started and into a habit with a clear cut plan, he can execute. It's just getting started when he frankly got demotivated with school. He knows he needs the degree, but, it is just getting back into the swing of it and having the discipline to check the box and do the work.

Malaun Rice is the name of the enrollment counselor. I am beginning this would be a waste of time until he is ready to enroll.

Education Seeker

The enrollment counselor can't help with credit transfers of any kind. They're really useless. My dogs know more about YourPace and they slept while I studied!

How is he doing with Sophia classes? Does he have a plan to work on a class? Like today work on Environmental Science. 2pm - 230pm Complete Unit 1, Challenge 2. That's what I ddi with a notebook and my Google Calendar. It really helped me stay on track and on focus. At 230 I'd have a 10 minute break to get a drink, bathroom, snack, whatever. Then go back to the next section for half an hour. It helped me with my UMPI classes too. Some days I just couldn't focus on anything. ADHD really does suck.

@ss20ts- 

I think he is getting himself organized. He actually requested today to get a white board because he wants to map his schedule with work (off for Summer) out right now and goals. He got the opportunity to work with several younger guys who focus on real estate flipping and is getting experience on sales calls, social media, construction, etc. and it is the happiest I have seen him in a while. If he is interested in something, I can see him really motivated. He is getting the opportunity that a lot of recent college grads get in their internships until several years into their first job so I am really happy for him in that regards. Having ADHD, it was hard for him to muddle through the class where he was not seeing an immediate result which I think is harder for younger people and especially people with ADHD. My younger son also struggles with the same thing. Their Mom died from breast cancer 2 years ago so I think they buried all of those feelings down, but, that is a whole another issue where counseling is needed. 

If I can show him achievable goal with a shorter timeline than 3 more years of traditional classes, he will be interested. He was interested when I talked to him the other day about it. Also, I think the concept of doing 1 or maybe 2 courses at a time will be MUCH better for him than the traditional 15 week semester.

If you don't mind, could you please look at my attached degree plan and let me know your thoughts? I filled in his existing 25 classes classes he has from YSU. I literally copied the UMPI BABA Mgmt and Leadership degree plan and put it into Excel.

Do the general electives at UMPI have to be lower level, upper level, or a combination of both? If he takes Macro and Micro Economics at UPMI(or another source), it would appear he only has to take 2 more GE or 5 credit hours? 

I didn't see a requirement on the Wiki at https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/UMPI_BABA_Management_%26_Leadership_Degree_Plan. If the rest of his YSU classes other than Writing 1, Communications Foundations, and Astronomy are not meeting the General Education, Business Administration core classes, or Management and Leadership concentration courses, I put the courses he already took which total 16 credit hours:

ANTH 1500 Intro to Anthropology 3 cr
REL 2601 Introduction to World Religions 3 cr

THTR 1500 History of Motion Pictures 3 cr

PSYCH 1550 General Psychology 3 cr

GEOG 2630 Weather 3 cr

YSU 1500 Student Success Seminar 1 cr

This means he has 95 credit hours left if all the classes are accepted or about 32 classes at 3 credit hours each. 

Please let me know if I am missing anything on the degree plan.

Thanks,

Education Seeker


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