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12-13-2025, 12:59 AM
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That’s weird—what you’re doing to your children. Letting people without any proper pedagogical training work as teachers shows the utmost disrespect for education and for the students IMHO.
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(12-13-2025, 12:59 AM)Maltus Wrote: That’s weird—what you’re doing to your children. Letting people without any proper pedagogical training work as teachers shows the utmost disrespect for education and for the students IMHO.
Yes, well, that's a whole thing in the United States. Perhaps you are familiar with the current administration and its absolute loathing of expertise? If not, be glad you aren't familiar with it, and don't be condescending to Americans who had no role in making the educational system this way and are just explaining how it works here. It's not a good look.
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(12-13-2025, 12:59 AM)Maltus Wrote: That’s weird—what you’re doing to your children. Letting people without any proper pedagogical training work as teachers shows the utmost disrespect for education and for the students IMHO.
Many countries do this, not just the USA. The alternative is to simply not have teachers, so you would get 60 or 100 kids in one classroom, and you would have entire schools shutting down because they can't find teaching staff. I agree that it's not ideal and that there are better ways to solve the teacher shortage, or better ways to train prospective teachers. However there is no way for a normal person to convince the state or national government to change this. It's true that the American government doesn't seem to value education -- if they did, education would be free, and they would base it off the education systems of the most highly educated countries in the world.
Keep in mind that in America there are also a lot of other fields unrelated to teaching, which require Bachelor's or Master's degrees in Europe but which only require high school graduation and/or work experience in America.
Also in many places in America parents can just homeschool their kids instead of having any qualified teacher teach them at all.
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Oh I'm sorry - with "you" i didn't mean anyone personal here. But you are right: Education has always been a source of profit in most US-states, I guess. I have been in education politics for 15 years and I was always shocked, when american collegues told me, what teachers in the US earn.
Maybe we should go BTT and discuss the Master's programm again - we won't solve the problem in this thread.:-)
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(12-13-2025, 12:59 AM)Maltus Wrote: That’s weird—what you’re doing to your children. Letting people without any proper pedagogical training work as teachers shows the utmost disrespect for education and for the students IMHO.
"proper pedagogical training" HA HA HA
difference of opinion I guess, I would consider that a complete waste of time
these are the same people who want "whole language learning" which has helped lower literacy rates across America
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(12-13-2025, 06:55 AM)wow Wrote: ... absolute loathing of expertise?...
expertise HA HA HA HA
https://www.kpbs.org/news/education/2025...th-problem
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-ba...-math-exam
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/just-2-in...standards/
yeah, we've been doing so well under these "experts"
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Basically, it really depends on what level of training you're referring to. Many kids are homeschooled by their parents, and these parents are not even registered as teachers or have any type of teaching credentials. You follow a set study schedule or pathway of courses and complete them to get the credit, that's basically it... You want to make sure you're qualified in the country or state.
There's really no 'national standard' as each state has slightly different rules and each regulation just needs to be followed. So, in the case of any 'proper training', you can be a teacher if you have a Bachelors and a major in the subject matter you want to teach - and maybe some minor adjustments/extras, you do not need the Masters unless you're teaching at a higher education level.
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(12-15-2025, 02:41 PM)bluebooger Wrote: (12-13-2025, 06:55 AM)wow Wrote: ... absolute loathing of expertise?...
expertise HA HA HA HA
https://www.kpbs.org/news/education/2025...th-problem
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-ba...-math-exam
https://www.illinoispolicy.org/just-2-in...standards/
yeah, we've been doing so well under these "experts"
The single word "expertise" seems to have gotten you worked up. Well, thanks for this great illustration of my point about the loathing of "expertise" in parts of the American populace, bluebooger!
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