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RE: European International University - Balchunas - 01-01-2026
(07-17-2023, 09:33 AM)Sagan Wrote: It sounds like the school offers degrees beyond its recognized scope and is tolerated by French authorities in doing so for foreigners?
Its a diploma mill, EUROPEAN INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY is a private company registered in france as a distance learning provider only. They have added an english term “University” in its company registered name. hoax & misleading. They can only issue private certificates in their capacity, they cannot call it as degrees and these certificates issued for any course are not accepted anywhere. They are offering their Doctorate Certificate including MBA to anyone , it has no value. In france it is only registered as a private distance learning centre and not a university
RE: European International University - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 01-31-2026
It seems like they've clearly bothered you, and you have shared this with deep concern for others.
I am also deeply concerned about the accuracy of information. As much as I can understand a person may not choose a school like EIU, I think we need to stay factual instead of being accusatory alone.
The following is in the spirit of fairness and accurate info from a factual standpoint:
TL: DR
Despite the degree not being state-sponsored, International Education Evaluations (IEE), a NACES member, evaluated the EIU-Paris BBA as equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s degree, and that qualifies for entry into master's level programs. Additionally, noting in the evaluation report that although it has ASIC UK accreditation, the school is not state-sponsored in France, and that the acceptance by institutions or employers is discretionary. I did not receive equivalency to a "Regionally accredited university." However, when a student has completed the ACBSP accredited programs via EIU's Dubai Campus, IEE is known to provide equivalency to a US Regionally accredited degree.
NACES Member (IEE) Evaluation:
1. EIU-Paris degrees are US Equivalent, ASIC UK-accredited but not French state-sponsored. Acceptance is at the discretion of the employer or university. (Attached screenshot of report)
2. EIU Dubai degrees (DBA, MBA, BBA) are US Equivalent from a Regionally Accredited institution.
Full stop.
The rest is additional info:
They (EIU-Paris) award institutional degrees, which are called DE (diplôme d’établissement) in France.
Institutional degrees in France are also known as DU (diplôme universitaire), or DIU (diplômes Inter-Universitaires), which are essentially private degrees issued by a university (Like a Titulo Propio in Spain) or by multiple universities (DIU).
A diplôme d’établissement from France is functionally comparable to a Título Propio from Spain: a lawful institutional degree issued outside the national qualifications framework, commonly used for professional, executive, and international academic progression.
Calling such degrees “illegal” may be inaccurate, but I think the shock you experienced was that they offered a path to a degree without coursework!
How is that even possible to earn a degree without coursework?
VAE (Validation des Acquis de l’Expérience) is a formal French recognition system that allows a student to earn all or part of an academic degree based on documented professional experience and prior learning, rather than completing the entire program through coursework alone. VAE is recognized by all countries that are parties to the Lisbon Convention. It is grounded in French law aimed at working professionals, and is widely used across higher education in France.
The Lisbon Recognition Convention (LRC) was adopted in 1997 by the Council of Europe and UNESCO. LRC is the primary international treaty governing the recognition of higher education qualifications across Europe, North America, and beyond. It mandates that foreign degrees be recognized unless "substantial differences" can be proven, facilitating academic mobility and reducing beuaucracy for students.
Functionally, VAE is the French equivalent of RPL (Recognition of Prior Learning). RPL is used in the UK, Australia, and other Commonwealth systems. In both cases, candidates must demonstrate that their prior education, professional experience, and competencies meet the learning outcomes of the target qualification.
This is done through a structured portfolio, evidence submission, and academic evaluation. The biggest difference is that entire degrees are not awarded through RPL.
Through VAE, however, an entire degree can be earned as a recognition of prior learning and experience. Importantly, VAE is not an honorary degree and is not automatic. It requires rigorous documentation, mapping of experience to academic standards, and institutional approval. When awarded, the credits given must be properly documented, and the rationale and basis for the award of credit must be based on a student's portfolio and explained in case of an audit.
The resulting credential is the same degree as one earned through traditional coursework, with no distinction noted on the diploma (per French Law, the VAE degrees are not distinguished from regular degrees).
In summary:
- RPL is the UK system (but not for entire degrees, just part credit)
- VAE is the French mechanism (can be applied to entire degrees and if successful, one does not have to take any coursework)
- Both recognize validated prior learning and experience
- Both are legally established, academically governed pathways
The legality of the institution and degrees per French Law:
EIU–Paris appears to be a lawful private education institution of distance learning authorized under the French Ministry of National Education (Code de l’Éducation, Chapitre IV) to confer diplômes d’établissement, and is officially listed under UAI Code 0756213W with the Ministère de l’Éducation nationale et de la Jeunesse.
https://www.education.gouv.fr/acce_public/index.php
One can search by entering 0756213W
This ministry oversees national education and youth policy, including parts of higher education governance. It indicates that the institution is lawfully recognized/registered.
- The Ministry of National Education and Youth is also called Minstry of National Education and oversees the country's public education system and supervises agreements and authorizations for private teaching organizations.
- We can be certain that EIU-Paris is not a state-sponsored university. It appears to be a private distance education institution, registered lawfully in France.
- Public universities, on the other hand, are listed on the Ministère de l’Enseignement supérieur et de la Recherche. EIU-Paris is not listed there.
EIU-Paris is pretty up front about all of this on their website, and full disclosure is on the enrollment agreement.
ASIC UK and ACBSP Accreditation
EIU–Paris holds institutional accreditation from ASIC (UK) and programmatic accreditation for its EIU-Dubai Campus programs: DBA, MBA, and BBA, from ACBSP (CHEA-recognized, U.S.), and is a member of BGA (UK), ATHEA (Europe), and ECBE (Belgium), with programs aligned to the European Higher Education Area (EHEA) and UNESCO recognition conventions.
The institution operates as a distance-learning private institution which is lawful under French regulations and does not affect the legality of its awards.
Memberships in BGA, ATHEA, and ECBE are not accreditations, and ASIC UK is considered a "light accreditor"; however, all these are steps in a positive direction, I would say.
My own experience with EIU-Paris and the IEE Evaluation result:
- I completed a BBA from EIU–Paris (issued as a diplôme d’établissement).
- I did it as a top up (Final year) to my Level 4 & 5 qualifications (UK Years 1, and 2, of 3 for a BSc).
- I completed 8 courses and a capstone project.
- I did not pay for VAE for the entire degree program, as it would have cost more than double the advertised cost of the BBA Top Up (Instead of 2000 EUR, It would have cost 5500 EURs to go the full VAE route).
Cost of Tuition?
Where did you get 2200 EUR? I didn't see that on the website.
As I understand, EIU-Paris charges a LOT more than 2200 EURs when going the VAE route, try more like 10,000 EUR for the Professional Doctorate. If doing a Practitioner's Doctorate, yes, it can cost 5000 EUR, but if you want the VAE option, it will cost more than what's listed on the website.
The prices are for standard completion, not VAE. EIU Paris does not advertise the price via VAE unless it's the Professional Doctorate, and the tuition is clearly stated to be at 10,000 EUR.
RE: European International University - cacoleman1983 - 02-01-2026
(01-31-2026, 10:19 PM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote: It seems like they've clearly bothered you, and you have shared this with deep concern for others.
I am also deeply concerned about the accuracy of information. As much as I can understand a person may not choose a school like EIU, I think we need to stay factual instead of being accusatory alone.
The following is in the spirit of fairness and accurate info from a factual standpoint:
TL: DR
Despite the degree not being state-sponsored, International Education Evaluations (IEE), a NACES member, evaluated the EIU-Paris BBA as equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s degree, and that qualifies for entry into master's level programs. Additionally, noting in the evaluation report that although it has ASIC UK accreditation, the school is not state-sponsored in France, and that the acceptance by institutions or employers is discretionary. I did not receive equivalency to a "Regionally accredited university." However, when a student has completed the ACBSP accredited programs via EIU's Dubai Campus, IEE is known to provide equivalency to a US Regionally accredited degree.
NACES Member (IEE) Evaluation:
1. EIU-Paris degrees are US Equivalent, ASIC UK-accredited but not French state-sponsored. Acceptance is at the discretion of the employer or university. (Attached screenshot of report)
2. EIU Dubai degrees (DBA, MBA, BBA) are US Equivalent from a Regionally Accredited institution.
Full stop.
The rest is additional info:
They (EIU-Paris) award institutional degrees, which are called DE (diplôme d’établissement) in France.
Institutional degrees in France are also known as DU (diplôme universitaire), or DIU (diplômes Inter-Universitaires), which are essentially private degrees issued by a university (Like a Titulo Propio in Spain) or by multiple universities (DIU).
A diplôme d’établissement from France is functionally comparable to a Título Propio from Spain: a lawful institutional degree issued outside the national qualifications framework, commonly used for professional, executive, and international academic progression.
Calling such degrees “illegal” may be inaccurate, but I think the shock you experienced was that they offered a path to a degree without coursework!
How is that even possible to earn a degree without coursework?
VAE (Validation des Acquis de l’Expérience) is a formal French recognition system that allows a student to earn all or part of an academic degree based on documented professional experience and prior learning, rather than completing the entire program through coursework alone. VAE is recognized by all countries that are parties to the Lisbon Convention. It is grounded in French law aimed at working professionals, and is widely used across higher education in France.
The Lisbon Recognition Convention (LRC) was adopted in 1997 by the Council of Europe and UNESCO. LRC is the primary international treaty governing the recognition of higher education qualifications across Europe, North America, and beyond. It mandates that foreign degrees be recognized unless "substantial differences" can be proven, facilitating academic mobility and reducing beuaucracy for students.
Functionally, VAE is the French equivalent of RPL (Recognition of Prior Learning). RPL is used in the UK, Australia, and other Commonwealth systems. In both cases, candidates must demonstrate that their prior education, professional experience, and competencies meet the learning outcomes of the target qualification.
This is done through a structured portfolio, evidence submission, and academic evaluation. The biggest difference is that entire degrees are not awarded through RPL.
Through VAE, however, an entire degree can be earned as a recognition of prior learning and experience. Importantly, VAE is not an honorary degree and is not automatic. It requires rigorous documentation, mapping of experience to academic standards, and institutional approval. When awarded, the credits given must be properly documented, and the rationale and basis for the award of credit must be based on a student's portfolio and explained in case of an audit.
The resulting credential is the same degree as one earned through traditional coursework, with no distinction noted on the diploma (per French Law, the VAE degrees are not distinguished from regular degrees).
In summary:Neither bypasses standards; they assess them differently.
- RPL is the UK system (but not for entire degrees, just part credit)
- VAE is the French mechanism (can be applied to entire degrees and if successful, one does not have to take any coursework)
- Both recognize validated prior learning and experience
- Both are legally established, academically governed pathways
The legality of the institution and degrees per French Law:
EIU–Paris appears to be a lawful private education institution of distance learning authorized under the French Ministry of National Education (Code de l’Éducation, Chapitre IV) to confer diplômes d’établissement, and is officially listed under UAI Code 0756213W with the Ministère de l’Éducation nationale et de la Jeunesse.
https://www.education.gouv.fr/acce_public/index.php
One can search by entering 0756213W
This ministry oversees national education and youth policy, including parts of higher education governance. It indicates that the institution is lawfully recognized/registered.While its degrees are not French state-accredited (i.e., not diplômes nationaux or RNCP-registered), they are legally issued under French law as institutional awards.
- The Ministry of National Education and Youth is also called Minstry of National Education and oversees the country's public education system and supervises agreements and authorizations for private teaching organizations.
- We can be certain that EIU-Paris is not a state-sponsored university. It appears to be a private distance education institution, registered lawfully in France.
- Public universities, on the other hand, are listed on the Ministère de l’Enseignement supérieur et de la Recherche. EIU-Paris is not listed there.
EIU-Paris is pretty up front about all of this on their website, and full disclosure is on the enrollment agreement.
ASIC UK and ACBSP Accreditation
EIU–Paris holds institutional accreditation from ASIC (UK) and programmatic accreditation for its EIU-Dubai Campus programs: DBA, MBA, and BBA, from ACBSP (CHEA-recognized, U.S.), and is a member of BGA (UK), ATHEA (Europe), and ECBE (Belgium), with programs aligned to the European Higher Education Area (EHEA) and UNESCO recognition conventions.
The institution operates as a distance-learning private institution which is lawful under French regulations and does not affect the legality of its awards.
Memberships in BGA, ATHEA, and ECBE are not accreditations, and ASIC UK is considered a "light accreditor"; however, all these are steps in a positive direction, I would say.
My own experience with EIU-Paris and the IEE Evaluation result:Despite the degree not being state-sponsored, International Education Evaluations (IEE) evaluated it as equivalent to a U.S. bachelor’s degree, that it qualifies for entry into master's level programs. Additionally, noting in the evaluation report that although it has ASIC UK accreditation, the school is not state-sponsored in France, and that the acceptance by institutions or employers is discretionary. I did not receive equivalency to a "Regionally accredited university." however when a student has completed the ACBSP accredited programs via EIU's Dubai Campus, IEE is known to provide equivalency to a US Regionally accredited degree.
- I completed a BBA from EIU–Paris (issued as a diplôme d’établissement).
- I did it as a top up (Final year) to my Level 4 & 5 qualifications (UK Years 1, and 2, of 3 for a BSc).
- I completed 8 courses and a capstone project.
- I did not pay for VAE for the entire degree program, as it would have cost more than double the advertised cost of the BBA Top Up (Instead of 2000 EUR, It would have cost 5500 EURs to go the full VAE route).
Cost of Tuition?
Where did you get 2200 EUR? I didn't see that on the website.
As I understand, EIU-Paris charges a LOT more than 2200 EURs when going the VAE route, try more like 10,000 EUR for the Professional Doctorate. If doing a Practitioner's Doctorate, yes, it can cost 5000 EUR, but if you want the VAE option, it will cost more than what's listed on the website.
The prices are for standard completion, not VAE. EIU Paris does not advertise the price via VAE unless it's the Professional Doctorate, and the tuition is clearly stated to be at 10,000 EUR.
Thanks for sharing your IEE evaluation of EIU-Paris. I love IEE because they have very nuanced evaluations that give partial recognition when a full recognition evaluation can't be granted. When you read the details of IEE evaluations, they validate credentials in ways that make them acceptable for continuing education and employment, even when the degree, program, or institution is not fully accredited.
It makes these gray area credentials worthwhile for perpetual students as it proves that while they don't get full recognition, they are not diploma mills either.
RE: European International University - bjcheung77 - 02-02-2026
Hmm, I thought I read that message post #62, here's my reply post: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-Doctorate-Certificate-from-EIU-PARIS-is-illegal-and-worthless-junk?pid=450084#pid450084
RE: European International University - NAYBOR - 02-04-2026
--MOVED FROM ANOTHER THREAD TO HERE--NAYBOR Wrote:Is it really a "favorable" evaluation from a NACES evaluator for students in the US, if it says right there in the report, "...However, this institution is not recognized or overseen by the government agency tasked with ensuring quality and regulating education in France..." While it may not issue "National Diplomas", I also don't think that statement on the report is accurate either. The school is registered with the Ministry of National Education in France to operate, so there IS some kind of "oversight". I grant that it is not accredited/"recognized" (to use the NACES report nomenclature) by the Ministry of Education or RNCP to give French National diplomas, but to say it isn't recognized at all by proper authorities, I think, is not accurate. The wording I bolded above makes it sound (to me at least) like there is no proper anything in France for EIU-Paris, to even include legality or authorization to issue the degrees it does as a private univeristy in France. It does appear to hold proper registration and authority to operate and issue their diplomas. So I'm not sure I understand that statement from the report as I bolded above, but it also doesn't give me "warm fuzzies" about having done instutional degree studies at EIU-Paris, and then having to get a NACES evaluation because I live here in the US and it saying this. Again, I am not so certain that that wording on the report provided really is as "favorable" as indicated, but I admit it also might not be completely accurate and fair to EIU-Paris either should that wording stand for reports from NACES evaluations (in this case, IEE) regarding insitutional degrees from EIU-Paris.
On the other hand, does anyone have any recent evaluations (just the past few months) showing that ACBSP degrees from EIU-Paris obtain "regionally accredited" evaluations from NACES/AICE evaluators here in the US? Does anyone have any experience even with AICE evaluators recently (past couple of months) regarding EIU-Paris? Or does most NACES/AICE evaluators refuse to evaluate EIU-Paris credentials, as stated elsewhere on this board?
I ask these questions, and comment, because, honestly, I have been viewing this school for some time, as the prices seem very good to me. It has ACBSP accreditation, so that tells me it has to have proper authorities to issue degrees in its country. I agree that running the ACBSP accredited programs from Dubai has amy particular bearing on wear actual degree authority comes from. I assume they just needed a bigger space than the small offices they had in Paris, and bigger space as needed by ACBSP to get accredited programs. They must be allowed to run a "branch campus" in Dubai, but all authority comes from France regarding authorization to issue degrees. I cannot find ANYWHERE where UAE has accredited "EIU" or "EIU-Dubai" to issue there own degrees. Of course, I am not certain eiter on that matter, I just couldn;t find any info myself ot the contrary (that is seprate degree isuing authority). ALL EIU degrees (both ASIC accredited instiutional degrees and ACBSP accredited busines degrees) seem to be issued under the same French authority. ACBSP lists the French address: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=64374132, but also seems to acknowledge business operations based in Thailand: https://acbsp.org/members/?id=79634022.
Personally, I think ATHEA accreditation would also help--especially if ATHEA succeeds in EQAR registration. Not quite sure what that means, but sounds like it holds weight (ie EQAR registration)?
PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 REPLIED:
"If I’m able to obtain an IEE Evaluation example for an ACBSP-accredited EIU degree directly from the institution, i'll be happy to share it, or if a graduate publicly shares one that would be great.
Decisions about enrollment are personal. I’ve shared what I can and asked the school the same questions others are asking here.
Given the title of this thread, I won’t be posting further here on this topic. It might have been nicer to have discussed this on the historic main thread
https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid449140
Or on a new thread."
RE: European International University - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 02-04-2026
Condensed Summary of EIU-Paris and the EIU Dubai Regional Campus Programs and Accreditation
I completed the regular EIU-Paris BBA, which is an institutional degree and does not carry ACBSP accreditation.
It is accredited at the institutional level by ASIC UK.
EIU operates as one private distance-education institution registered in France, but it offers two distinct types of programs:
1) EIU-Paris Institutional Programs
- Accredited institutionally by ASIC UK (a CHEA-listed accreditor)
- Degrees are awarded as institutional degrees
- These programs do not carry ACBSP accreditation
- Top-up / VAE / prior-learning pathways are available
- Delivered via the standard EIU-Paris LMS
- US Equivalency: Bachelor of Business Administration
- Notes that ASIC is CHEA-listed
- Confirms eligibility for graduate-level study
- Makes clear that the institution is not state-recognized in France
- The evaluation uploaded was not for the ACBSP Accredited EIU Dubai Regional Campus BBA
The IEE Report says:
US Equivalency:
Bachelor of Business Administration Degree, Finance
Institution status: Accredited by the Accreditation Service for International Colleges (ASIC)*
Additional notes: Completion of this program grants access to graduate-level studies.
European International University is an Accreditation Service for
International Colleges (ASIC) premier institution. ASIC is listed as an
international accreditation agency by the Council for Higher Education
Accreditation (CHEA). However, this institution is not recognized or overseen
by the government agency tasked with ensuring quality and regulating
education in France. US colleges, universities, licensing boards and
employers may exercise their own judgment regarding accepting this
qualification
2) EIU Paris – Dubai Regional Campus Programs (BBA, MBA, DBA)
- These are programmatically accredited by ACBSP (CHEA-recognized)
- Also retain ASIC UK institutional accreditation
- Delivered via a separate LMS (TalentLMS) and/or in-person at the Dubai campus
- No top-ups, VAE, or transfer credits allowed
- Programs include additional rigor, such as live mini-viva / oral defenses for final course projects
- These are not separate institutions, just distinct programs offered by the same institution
Key Clarifications
- No one is claiming that EIU-Paris institutional degrees are ACBSP-accredited
- ACBSP accreditation applies only to the BBA, MBA, and DBA delivered via the Dubai Regional Campus
- ASIC UK accredits the institution
- ACBSP accredits specific programs
- The Dubai programs are more structured and demanding, which explains the additional programmatic accreditation
- ACBSP-accredited degree sample: https://eiu.ac/acbsp-accredited-degree-sample
- ASIC-only institutional degree sample: https://eiu.ac/degree-sample
- UK BSc (Hons)
- Qualifi Levels 4 & 5
- OTHM Level 6
- Pearson BTEC Level 7
For additional context, I had previously explored Unimarconi’s Master Universitari di II Livello in Banking and Finance.
At that time, I did not yet hold a completed bachelor’s degree, and under Unimarconi and MUR rules, enrollment is not permitted without one.
That restriction is strict and non-negotiable, which is why enrollment was not possible at that point.
RE: European International University - NAYBOR - 02-04-2026
Thank you PearsonOTHMQualifi7654, regarding relaying any NACES evals that say "regionally accredited" for ACBPS accredited degrees from EIU-Paris if you should be sent any. Also, congratulations on your acceptance to Masters degree studies in Italy!
And regarding foreign credential evaluations--isn't it outdated to have foreign credential evaluations say "regional accreditation" after 2020 anyways? Shouldn't it be more properly designated recognized "institutional" and/or "programmatic" accreditation, since the Dept of Ed here in the US doesn't delineate any longer regional/national/programmatic etc. Every accreditor is now a "national" accreditor, and either a national "institutional" accreditor, or a national "programmatic" accreditor. The use of foriegn credential evaluation reports still comparing studies to "regional accreditor", while still generally understood what they mean--are outdated now for 6 years and should be aligned now with the reality of accreditation, and the language used here for evaluators here in the US. This is why "regional" accreditors can and are accrediting schools outside of their previous "areas" now--everyone is an equal [level] accreditor now per the rules and laws. OK, yes, this is all my opinion, and I am just a commentor here on the internet, but I do believe it warrents consideration.
But my argument above has a point, and it is--why doesn't EIU-Paris sjust eek DEAC accreditation too for definitively recognized institutional accreditation? DEAC has as its scope global accreditation, and has accredited other distance schools around the world. EIU-Paris went through the process with ACBSP, I would assume the process would be similar. Why not? It can't be that more expensive. And if they want to not seek accreditation through French RCNP for their programs so they have more "flexibility", why not DEAC then for recognized "international" accreditation then? If one is worried about the foreign credential evaluation report saying here in the US that EIU-Paris has the equivalent of "national" accreditation, OK, that would be absolutely true, and nothing wrong with that! "National Institutional accreditation" to be more accurate, in my opinion under the present regulations in the US. It is what even a "regional accreditor" should be called too now--all have the same "level" of accreditation now per regulation, rule and law--all equal, all same standing, whether you agree with it or not. It could be argued in court even ,in my opinion, if one wanted to/had to. Which accreditors hold more WEIGHT in the minds of acadamia--well, there is of course the argument for that, aand is actually PART of this argument, to be honest (ASIC/ACBSP vs DEAC/ACBSP vs ASIC/ACBSP/DEAC/ATHEA vs DEAC/ATHEA/ASIC/ACBSP vs ???? [RNCP/French Ministry recognition too, perhaps?] and to not acknoweledge that is just plain blind and dishonest (regional accreditors being peceived to be the perpetual "gold standard"). But LEGALLY, all have the same STANDING and LEVEL per law here in the US now--all equal.
So, in my opinion, having DEAC accreditation, and having ATHEA accreditation for the EIU-Paris as an insitution (if ATHEA does obtain ERAQ registration, which would cover most of Europe and other countries that recognize ERAQ), I think would leave less doubts and allow higher portability of the degrees. I believe specifically that both DEAC and ATHEA accreditations would be acheivable for EIU-Paris. If they want to keep ASIC UK accreditation, that's fine too it is recognized--but this is the "weight" question now, and is it REALLY fully respected and looked as an internationally recognized, academic accreditor of institutions around the world? It is a legit accreditor, enough so to be listed by CHEA as an international accrediting body. But is it "enough"--I myself am not sure.
I myself think EIU-Paris is a legit school, and has academic rigor overall from my own expereinces and research. They have been very honest, even brutally, in my communications with them, regarding there accreditations, degrees, programs, and requirements. It is a REAL SCHOOL as far as I myself can see, and on a good path toward more recogniztion, being still so young. I hope they seek further recognized accreditation.
Sorry for the ramble of thoughts, and any typos in this and previous posts.
RE: European International University - PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 - 02-04-2026
(02-04-2026, 11:25 AM)NAYBOR Wrote: Thank you PearsonOTHMQualifi7654, reagrding relaying any NACES evals that say "regionally accredited" for ACBPS accredited degrees from EIU-Paris.
And regarding that--isn't it outdated to have foreign credential evaluations say "regional accreditation" after 2020 anyways? Shouldn't it be more properly designated recognized "institutional" and/or "programmatic" accreditation, since the Dept of Ed here in the US doesn't delineate any longer regional/national/programmatic etc. Every accreditor is now a "national" accreditor, and either a national "institutional" accreditor, or a national "programmatic" accreditor. The use of foriegn credential evaluation reports still comparing studies to "regional accreditor", while still generally understood what they mean--are outdated now for 6 years and should be aligned now with the reality of accreditation, and the language used here for evaluators here in the US. This is why "regional" accreditors can and are accrediting schools outside of their previous "areas" now--everyone is an equal [level] accreditor now per the rules and laws. OK, yes, this is all my opinion, and I am just a commentor here on the internet, but I do believe it warrents consideration.
But my argument above has a point, and it is--why doesn't EIU-Paris sjust eek DEAC accreditation too for definitively recognized institutional accreditation? DEAC has as its scope global accreditation, and has accredited other distance schools around the world. EIU-Paris went through the process with ACBSP, I would assume the process would be similar. Why not? It can't be that more expensive. And if they want to not seek accreditation through French RCNP for their programs so they have more "flexibility", why not DEAC then for recognized "international" accreditation then? If one is worried about the foreign credential evaluation report saying here in the US that EIU-Paris has the equivalent of "national" accreditation, OK, that would be absolutely true, and nothing wrong with that! "National Institutional accreditation" to be more accurate, in my opinion under the present regulations in the US. It is what even a "regional accreditor" should be called too now--all have the same "level" of accreditation now per regulation, rule and law--all equal, all same standing, whether you agree with it or not. It could be argued in court even ,in my opinion, if one wanted to/had to. Which accreditors hold more WEIGHT in the minds of acadamia--well, there is of course the argument for that, aand is actually PART of this argument, to be honest (ASIC/ACBSP vs DEAC/ACBSP vs ASIC/ACBSP/DEAC/ATHEA vs DEAC/ATHEA/ASIC/ACBSP vs ???? [RNCP/French Ministry recognition too, perhaps?] and to not acknoweledge that is just plain blind and dishonest (regional accreditors being peceived to be the perpetual "gold standard"). But LEGALLY, all have the same STANDING and LEVEL per law here in the US now--all equal.
So, in my opinion, having DEAC accreditation, and having ATHEA accreditation for the EIU-Paris as an insitution (if ATHEA does obtain ERAQ registration, which would cover most of Europe and other countries that recognize ERAQ), I think would leave less doubts and allow higher portability of the degrees. I believe specifically that both DEAC and ATHEA accreditations would be acheivable for EIU-Paris. If they want to keep ASIC UK accreditation, that's fine too it is recognized--but this is the "weight" question now, and is it REALLY fully respected and looked as an internationally recognized, academic accreditor of institutions around the world? It is a legit accreditor, enough so to be listed by CHEA as an international accrediting body. But is it "enough"--I myself am not sure.
I myself think EIU-Paris is a legit school, and has academic rigor overall from my own expereinces and research. They have been very honest, even brutally, in my communications with them, regarding there accreditations, degrees, programs, and requirements. It is a REAL SCHOOL as far as I myself can see, and on a good path toward more recogniztion, being still so young. I hope they seek further recognized accreditation.
Sorry for the ramble of thoughts, and any typos in this and previous posts.
Thanks for the input. The reality is that ACBSP programmatic accreditation is arguably a higher achievement than DEAC accreditation. ACBSP being CHEA-recognized pretty much "seals the deal", in the US context. ACBSP (Regional Equivalency, at least programmatically speaking), meanwhile, DEAC is National Equivalency using the old nomenclature. DEAC is US DoE and CHEA-recognized, and ACBSP is arguably a higher recognition than DEAC. ACBSP accreditation in the US context is therefore substantial, and it theoretically crosses the "Regional" threshold right there on its own, although there are more prestigious accreditors for business school programs.
Should they get DEAC? Sure, why not, but at this point, getting DEAC accreditation after achieving ACBSP may be considered a step backward. EIU has a membership with ATHEA, not accreditation, so what additional steps ATHEA may achieve on its own would not make a difference at this point. ATHEA is already well recognized as it is.
From an international perspective, if there are more graduates and data to present to the RNCP to get approval to be listed there, then the European Qualifications Framework (EQF) recognition would become automatic instead of discretionary, despite not being a Diplome Nationeaux.
French universities for certain programs issue Diplôme Universitaire and Diplôme Interuniversitaire, which are not Diplôme Nationaux, and they get accepted and recognized. A French degree doesn't need to be issued as a Diplome Nationeaux for it to be useful.
RE: European International University - NAYBOR - 02-04-2026
(02-04-2026, 11:35 AM)PearsonOTHMQualifi7654 Wrote:(02-04-2026, 11:25 AM)NAYBOR Wrote: Thank you PearsonOTHMQualifi7654, reagrding relaying any NACES evals that say "regionally accredited" for ACBPS accredited degrees from EIU-Paris.
And regarding that--isn't it outdated to have foreign credential evaluations say "regional accreditation" after 2020 anyways? Shouldn't it be more properly designated recognized "institutional" and/or "programmatic" accreditation, since the Dept of Ed here in the US doesn't delineate any longer regional/national/programmatic etc. Every accreditor is now a "national" accreditor, and either a national "institutional" accreditor, or a national "programmatic" accreditor. The use of foriegn credential evaluation reports still comparing studies to "regional accreditor", while still generally understood what they mean--are outdated now for 6 years and should be aligned now with the reality of accreditation, and the language used here for evaluators here in the US. This is why "regional" accreditors can and are accrediting schools outside of their previous "areas" now--everyone is an equal [level] accreditor now per the rules and laws. OK, yes, this is all my opinion, and I am just a commentor here on the internet, but I do believe it warrents consideration.
But my argument above has a point, and it is--why doesn't EIU-Paris sjust eek DEAC accreditation too for definitively recognized institutional accreditation? DEAC has as its scope global accreditation, and has accredited other distance schools around the world. EIU-Paris went through the process with ACBSP, I would assume the process would be similar. Why not? It can't be that more expensive. And if they want to not seek accreditation through French RCNP for their programs so they have more "flexibility", why not DEAC then for recognized "international" accreditation then? If one is worried about the foreign credential evaluation report saying here in the US that EIU-Paris has the equivalent of "national" accreditation, OK, that would be absolutely true, and nothing wrong with that! "National Institutional accreditation" to be more accurate, in my opinion under the present regulations in the US. It is what even a "regional accreditor" should be called too now--all have the same "level" of accreditation now per regulation, rule and law--all equal, all same standing, whether you agree with it or not. It could be argued in court even ,in my opinion, if one wanted to/had to. Which accreditors hold more WEIGHT in the minds of acadamia--well, there is of course the argument for that, aand is actually PART of this argument, to be honest (ASIC/ACBSP vs DEAC/ACBSP vs ASIC/ACBSP/DEAC/ATHEA vs DEAC/ATHEA/ASIC/ACBSP vs ???? [RNCP/French Ministry recognition too, perhaps?] and to not acknoweledge that is just plain blind and dishonest (regional accreditors being peceived to be the perpetual "gold standard"). But LEGALLY, all have the same STANDING and LEVEL per law here in the US now--all equal.
So, in my opinion, having DEAC accreditation, and having ATHEA accreditation for the EIU-Paris as an insitution (if ATHEA does obtain ERAQ registration, which would cover most of Europe and other countries that recognize ERAQ), I think would leave less doubts and allow higher portability of the degrees. I believe specifically that both DEAC and ATHEA accreditations would be acheivable for EIU-Paris. If they want to keep ASIC UK accreditation, that's fine too it is recognized--but this is the "weight" question now, and is it REALLY fully respected and looked as an internationally recognized, academic accreditor of institutions around the world? It is a legit accreditor, enough so to be listed by CHEA as an international accrediting body. But is it "enough"--I myself am not sure.
I myself think EIU-Paris is a legit school, and has academic rigor overall from my own expereinces and research. They have been very honest, even brutally, in my communications with them, regarding there accreditations, degrees, programs, and requirements. It is a REAL SCHOOL as far as I myself can see, and on a good path toward more recogniztion, being still so young. I hope they seek further recognized accreditation.
Sorry for the ramble of thoughts, and any typos in this and previous posts.
Thanks for the input. The reality is that ACBSP is regarded as above DEAC. ACBSP being CHEA-recognized pretty much seals the deal in the US context. Should they get DEAC? Sure, why not, but at this point, getting DEAC accreditation after achieving ACBSP would be a step backward.
From an international perspective, if there are more graduates and data to present to the RNCP and get approval to be listed there, then the European Qualifications Framework (EQF) recognition would become automatic instead of discretionary, despite not being a Diplome Nationeaux.
This is all true. What I meant was that DEAC might be recognized internationally for "institutional" accreditation; ACBSP is for the "programmatic" [finance/business programs] and does not technically do "institutional" accreditation (unless I misunderstand--although the institution would at least need to be legal and legit before ACBSP would even look at it--so maybe a quasi-legitimacy to the insitution, even if certainly not an academic acreditation of any other programs but business). DEAC would cover accreditaion of the insitution itself and the other degree programs and certification progrmas, in my mind, since DEAC can actually be considered "international/global" accreditor too, and is a full member of INQAAHE: https://www.deac.org/discover-deac/recognition/, and also collaborates with European Association for Distance Learning (EADL): https://www.chea.org/ciqg-member-spotlight-distance-education-accrediting-commission-deac (not sure if DEAC is a member of EADL as well).
Yes, I agree, RNCP in France seems like the most logical, "no brainer" answer to any questions and legitimacy. It would seem to still allow the flexibility and autonomy EIU-Paris wants in the offerings of their programs, while still having "proper" French recognition of private programs in France. And probably completely obtainable. RNCP would actually be the top-tier, as I see it, with ACBSP being "gravy" for further legitimizing business programs. As I have read though, it would seems EACH degree program would have to be reviewed to be registered with RNCP in France. Not sure. But no other accreditations would be necessary other than RNCP registry, honestly. RNCP, and keep ACBSP for business programs for the extra "chef's kiss". I agree, though that would all that would really be needed then (RNCP). Done.
Oh, and yes, EIU-Paris is only an affiliate member of ATHEA at this time, sorry if I wasn't clear about that as well. I meant IF they would FURTHER seek accredtation with ATHEA (not just be affiliate members of ATHEA), ATHEA acheives FURTHER recognition by listing with EQAR, etc. etc etc (re: see above)
RE: European International University - Eleanor - 02-04-2026
Hello,
working with and in accreditation systems and stakeholders, allow me to add and summarize:
- DEAC accreditation is institutional national (not regional) accreditation, recognized by the US Department of Education and CHEA
- the ACBSP only accredits programs (programmatic accreditation). It is recognized by CHEA. ACBSP does not accredit institutions. It only accredits programs from institutions, which hold regional institutional accreditation. Outside the US, institutions of ACBSP Region 8 (Europe, Africa, Asia) must be institutionally accredited by their governments' official accreditation body.
- ATHEA accreditation does not constitute degree awarding power. While this accreditation may serve well for quality assurance purposes, it has little to no value with regards to degree recognition, equivalency, credit transferability, etc. This aspect will not change should ATHEA achieve EQAR membership. A prominent example is ACQUIN, an EQAR member. ACQUIN-only-accredited institutions have faced issues with the recognition of their degrees. It adds well to in-place institutional state/government accreditation for quality assurance purposes and its standards are often accepted at external quality assurance audits of institutions.
- EQAR membership of an accreditation body is a clear sign of highest quality assurance standards in higher education. It is however voluntary. An accreditation body does not need to be a member of EQAR for its accredited institutions and degrees to be recognized within the EHEA.