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Bias in Postdoc Hiring - sanantone - 06-19-2019
Quote:Black and Latino/a scientists do not receive the same advancement opportunities as their white peers, demonstrated yet again in a study released this month. The researchers asked 251 professors in physics and biology at eight research universities to rate the CV of a hypothetical graduate student seeking a postdoc. All of these CVs were identical, except for the name: Candidates with ethnic-sounding names (other than Asian) were viewed as less hireable and less competent, the study showed, than white and Asian applicants.
https://chroniclevitae.com/news/2212-how-the-opaque-way-we-hire-postdocs-contributes-to-science-s-diversity-problem?cid=VTEVPMSED1
Quote:Bradley Miller is more likely to be hired than José Rodriguez. Zhang Wei (David) is more competent than Jamal Banks. And both Miller and Zhang are more competent and hirable than Maria Rodriguez or Shanice Banks.
https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2019/06/racial-and-gender-biases-plague-postdoc-hiring
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - dfrecore - 06-20-2019
Sounds like the liberals in academia are prejudiced. They always like to talk about how enlightened they are, and how racist conservatives are...
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - Jonathan Whatley - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 12:25 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Sounds like the liberals in academia are prejudiced. They always like to talk about how enlightened they are, and how racist conservatives are...
Professors of physics and biology aren't known for attacking conservatives as racist.
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - dfrecore - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 12:36 AM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote:(06-20-2019, 12:25 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Sounds like the liberals in academia are prejudiced. They always like to talk about how enlightened they are, and how racist conservatives are...
Professors of physics and biology aren't known for attacking conservatives as racist.
Liberals and others in academia are. I'm going to guess that being surrounded by them has filtered down to everyone working on campus.
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - Jonathan Whatley - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 12:39 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Liberals and others in academia are. I'm going to guess that being surrounded by them has filtered down to everyone working on campus.
If you were put into a workplace of thousands and given an intense and specialized job, how likely you be to start adopting political views you wouldn't have otherwise, because they're held by employees with different jobs in different departments in different buildings?
People make hasty generalizations about politics in academe. They overread data points from a few elite schools, and many of those data points are provocative outliers not even representative of those schools. Among the things they overlook, they overlook the departments that lean right or apolitical, the entire types of college that lean right or apolitical, and the parts of the country where the right lean or the broad right-left mix of the general population is also seen in colleges.
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - sanantone - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 12:25 AM)dfrecore Wrote: Sounds like the liberals in academia are prejudiced. They always like to talk about how enlightened they are, and how racist conservatives are...
I believe you saw my post on a similar study that was done outside of academia. The only common denominator is that white men are usually doing the hiring.
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - bluebooger - 06-20-2019
meanwhile, Democrats in New York City want to do away with the standardized tests that middle students have to pass in order to be admitted into elite high schools
apparently these standardized tests are racists (unless you happen to be asian, indian or white)
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - Jonathan Whatley - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 09:51 AM)bluebooger Wrote: meanwhile, Democrats in New York City want to do away with the standardized tests that middle students have to pass in order to be admitted into elite high schools
apparently these standardized tests are racists (unless you happen to be asian, indian or white)
If tomorrow the College Board announced they'll regularly offer the SAT to adult students, and the Big Three announced they will only admit students with SAT scores in a fairly high percentile, would that be a good thing for education? Well, there's a case that making high school choice dependent on high-stakes standardized tests delivered in middle school isn't great for education either, and there's more to that case than fuzzy liberal egalitarianism.
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - sanantone - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 09:51 AM)bluebooger Wrote: meanwhile, Democrats in New York City want to do away with the standardized tests that middle students have to pass in order to be admitted into elite high schoolsIndians are Asian. The irony of the bad English and lack of social studies knowledge...
apparently these standardized tests are racists (unless you happen to be asian, indian or white)
RE: Bias in Postdoc Hiring - bluebooger - 06-20-2019
(06-20-2019, 10:22 AM)Jonathan Whatley Wrote: would that be a good thing for education?
it might help alleviate the student loan problems
it might also help stop for profit colleges from preying on students
(06-20-2019, 11:43 AM)sanantone Wrote: Indians are Asian.
oh come on, nobody refers to Indians as Asian
the common way to use Asian is for Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia and maybe Philippines
grouping Indians with Asians is like grouping Indians with "people of color" ?
nobody does that
"oh, this test is unfair to POC"
really ? because Indians and Asians don't seem to have a problem with it
"POC are under represented at Harvard"
really ? I thought Harvard had lots of Indians and Asians