DBA then PHD Top Up

[Sagan]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the reserach preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

[SteveFoerster]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the reserach preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

They can be different, but the difference can also be greatly exaggerated. 

So how many counter-examples would it take to change your mind? Because there are plenty of DBA holders in academic positions.

[bjcheung77]

Basically, if I have the energy, money, time... I'd do the DBA with a concentration in AI/ML and then a PhD in a similar field or subject such as Business Analytics, Finance, or Financial Engineering... It really depends on what the student is looking to accomplish.

[Sagan]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the reserach preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

They can be different, but the difference can also be greatly exaggerated. 

So how many counter-examples would it take to change your mind? Because there are plenty of DBA holders in academic positions.

I think you're changing the subject, which was going from a DBA on to a PhD. But yes, the distinctions sometimes get blurred. And sometimes they're blatantly stated.

[ifomonay]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the research preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

Where did you get your data from? The comparison of scholarly vs professional doctorates is not valid. The root word of "scholarly" is school, so any degree granted by a university is by definition "scholarly". The National Science Foundation identifies the DBA as a research doctorate. DBA holders are fully qualified to publish journal papers, hold tenure-track positions, and serve on doctoral committees.

[Sagan]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the research preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

Where did you get your data from? The comparison of scholarly vs professional doctorates is not valid. The root word of "scholarly" is school, so any degree granted by a university is by definition "scholarly". The National Science Foundation identifies the DBA as a research doctorate. DBA holders are fully qualified to publish journal papers, hold tenure-track positions, and serve on doctoral committees.

45 years of experience and a PhD in higher education.

You're wrong about "scholarly." Dead wrong. I mean, seriously wrong. Like, dropped on one's head wrong.

You just conflated "research" and "scholarly" doctorates. This is really misplaced.

Scholarly and professional doctorates are different, but they're both "research" degrees. Geez....

[turbotortuga]

A DBA and a PhD in Business are two different degrees with two different purposes covering the same academic discipline. Having done one, I doubt any serious university would admit you to the other. Besides, the course work is different, as are the research preparation courses.

It also doesn't make sense professionally. A graduate of a DBA program wanting to enter academia would face far more resistance because of their lack of an academic background vs. the type (scholarly or professional) of degree they hold. Getting a different degree would not change that fact.

Where did you get your data from? The comparison of scholarly vs professional doctorates is not valid. The root word of "scholarly" is school, so any degree granted by a university is by definition "scholarly". The National Science Foundation identifies the DBA as a research doctorate. DBA holders are fully qualified to publish journal papers, hold tenure-track positions, and serve on doctoral committees.

45 years of experience and a PhD in higher education.

You're wrong about "scholarly." Dead wrong. I mean, seriously wrong. Like, dropped on one's head wrong.

You just conflated "research" and "scholarly" doctorates. This is really misplaced.

Scholarly and professional doctorates are different, but they're both "research" degrees. Geez....

I think that maybe you are part of the "old guard" that doesn't consider anything except a PhD as being a "real" doctorate. Times are changing my friend. One can obtain a professional doctorate like a DBA, EdD, etc and still publish and qualify for tenure-track academic positions. Maybe not at the "elite" insitutions who gatekeep based on the older notions such as you have demonstrated previously. Nevertheless, if one obtains an AACSB DBA, there are any number of universities where they would be able to gain employment. Less so with a non-AACSB DBA, etc.

[bjcheung77]

Hmm, that reminded me of a movie that just came out a few days ago on Netflix, The Old Guard 2. I've yet to watch the first movie, I think I'll start binge watching it and other shows I've been putting off watching. Link: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14961624/ - At this point in time, I'm really interested in several DBA, DProf, PhD, etc, Level 8 and doctorate level studies.

In regards to the DBA, PhD, and other doctorate level studies, it's all personal preference. I look at it with what I believe is educational and fills my learning gaps and helps me attain extra knowledge in a subject. I think some with dissertations, research projects, or a mix and match of those, along with the number of years required for study, etc, makes it worth while to study.

[Sagan]

I think that maybe you are part of the "old guard" that doesn't consider anything except a PhD as being a "real" doctorate. Times are changing my friend. One can obtain a professional doctorate like a DBA, EdD, etc and still publish and qualify for tenure-track academic positions. Maybe not at the "elite" insitutions who gatekeep based on the older notions such as you have demonstrated previously. Nevertheless, if one obtains an AACSB DBA, there are any number of universities where they would be able to gain employment. Less so with a non-AACSB DBA, etc.

Wrong again. It might not be a good idea to post about someone you know nothing about.

I have for years advocated the professional doctorate. 

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Two types of "research doctorates": Professional and Scholarly.

Both are "research" degrees. Both are "academic."

The difference between the two is that professional doctorates add to practice and scholarly doctorates add to scholarship. (Theory building and/or testing.)

Typically, but not always, the scholarly doctorate results in a PhD. Typically, but not always, the professional doctorate results in a different award, such as the DBA or EdD. But there are exceptions to both. I've seen a lot of PhD work that is not scholarly (but that doesn't mean it's not research or academic). And I've seen scholarly doctorates with alternate award titles.

For example, I know one bloke who earned a PhD for what was professional research. Original, academic, and made a significant contribution to the field. But it was not scholarly since it dodn't advance theory. Alternately, I know someone who did a scholarly doctorate resulting in new theory, yet the award wasn't a PhD. (The university explicitly states that the award is both scholarly and EQUAL to a PhD.) But, generally speaking, the distinctions hold.

Can a DBA or EdD be a scholarly degree? Certainly. One must look past the label and see the content of the degree and the purpose of the research. (And the expectations of the school regarding the nature of one's research.)

Can one secure an academic career with a professional doctorate? Sure! Just as one can have a professional career with a scholarly doctorate.

[SophiaPrincess]

FrHaseKopf, that one term would be $6K, if you do one UK level 8 diploma, it'll be just 1K for the cheapest one... For transfer purposes, it won't be equivalent, but may be very close to getting you to the half way mark for the DBA and you can do a top-up or transfer to a DBA that accepts it.  

I've mentioned before the UK Level 8 Diploma is the first part of a two part series, a top-up/transfer is the final part.  This can potentially be better as you can transfer these credits and the top-up to CTU or another program that doesn't require ABD as you're not doing an ABD completion program.

What is the benefit of transfering your Level 8 Diploma to a doctorate program "that doesn't require ABD as you're not doing an ABD completion program"? Does this refer to a doctorate that doesn't require a disertation?  Other than CTU, which American doctorate programs accept Level 8 diplomas?