Gov. Shutdown?

[Jonathan Whatley]

[To sanantone's statement "People should…"]

says who ?

just because that's your point of view doesn't make it the correct point of view

Psst: That's what people are doing when they use the word "should," they're expressing a point of view.

The french empire, the british empire, the spanish empire, the mongol empire, greeks, the babylonians ...

it certainly seems to me that by looking at history and nature the natural order of things is to conquer, the strong survive

Dude, your argument is terrible. Every empire you list clearly FAILED to survive as an empire.

What succeeded in the seat of each empire? France survives as a democracy. Britain survives as a democracy. Spain survives as a democracy. Mongolia survives as a democracy. Greece survives as a democracy. The successor to Babylonia, Iraq, is re-emerging as a democracy, holding multi-party elections regularly since January 2005.

What stands now in almost every former colony of the empires you list? Independent states, many of them democratic and most evidently moving more towards democracy than away from it.

you certainly seem to believe in some magical, "everybody lives happily ever after fairy tale"

but like you said let's look at what's observed

You haven't read sanantone much, have you.

In particular, you're ignoring sanantone in the next paragraph where she describes the deaths of 10 to 15 million people in the Congo under Belgian rule. Clearly not an "everybody lives happily ever fairy tale." Ignoring this is very convenient for you because it exposes your argument about life being better under colonialism.

[Immediately following.] yes, let's look at, observe those great apes

So you're providing terrible arguments about human affairs, ignoring evidence about human affairs, and throwing to chimpanzees and gorillas.

whether people today would agree with me or not doesn't matter

Good for you, because I'm sure you aren't convincing anyone.

what's important is people (insert European overlord nation as you see fit) at the time agreed with me

"At the time." "European overlord nations:" What happened with that?

but if you don't believe in a god then don't come up with this crap about freedom and rights and social justice and the natural order is to do good

Why ?

because as sanantone himself says
"Nothing is absolute in the social sciences and there is nothing wrong with that."

of course he immediately contradicts himself by stating this as an absolute
"Humans can only do their best to try to make sure that individuals are free to pursue happiness. "

"Humans can only do their best" is not an absolute! Wow.

when its nothing more than his opinion
an opinion that has not been prevalent in history and is not present in the natural world

Thank you Dr. Dolittle, who knows the opinions of animals.

Altruism in animals (Wikipedia)

Your arguments are terrible. Your basic logic and reading comprehension here are poor, and/or you're being intellectually dishonest.