Evolution?

[Jack1798]

Leebo,
I would like to say that I agree with you that the Big Bang occurred I believe this based on the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, universal expansion as you mentioned, radiation afterglow, great galaxy seeds, and Einstein's general theory of relativity (Smoot, Jastrow, 1978 and 1989). Also, I think we can both concede that scientific laws and the laws of physics and nature only work in our universe because these laws are merely descriptions of our interactions with the material parts within the universe. Since we have agreed that the big bang happened, I would like to start forming my case. I will begin with a variation of Kalam's cosmological argument:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause
The Big Bang had a Beginning
Therefore, the Big Bang had a cause.

Now the problem is in determining what that cause was. As I said before, the laws of science and physics only work in our universe. However, they are useful in telling us what the big bang brought about. We know based on our experience with the universe that the Big Bang brought about all:
Time
Space
Matter, and
Energy.

Because of this whatever caused the Big Bang had to be:
Timeless
Space-less
Immaterial, and
All Powerful

Why? because all of the elements that I just listed are necessary for the causation of the Big Bang. Before the Big bang was a point of absolute nothingness, zero, natta. How much matter can you have in a zero spacial volume? 0. How much Energy can you have when there is no energy? 0. How much space can you have when there is no space? 0. Must I go on?

So, that is all that science can tell us about the causation of the big bang. There are now only three fields of study that can tell us more about the causation of the big bang, those being theology, ontology, and philosophy.
using these fields of study we can eliminate atheism and pantheism from the equation because atheists obviously believe there is nothing or any "higher power" outside of the universe and pantheists believe that God or gods are of nature itself. Based on what I have just said, these two worldviews cannot exist scientifically because we have established that the cause of the big bang has to be outside of the universe. This leaves us with only two different worldviews those being Deism and Theism. If you think about, that limits us to only three different religions and two different gods, those being Christianity, Judaism, and Islam; and Jehovah and Allah respectively. If you have any questions please feel free to ask and I look forward to hearing your responses as well as continuing this fascinating discussion in the future.

Jack