02-17-2015, 12:07 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2015, 09:36 PM by Peter123456789.)
ironheadjack Wrote:Sigh. I had a few paragraphs written but it disappeared somehow.
I meant to conclude my last post with a point, but I wrote so much I got all scrambled.
There are underlying causes to gun violence in the inner city and within the minds of spree killers. We have to confront those issues and figure out why certain people can kill others with no regard for the consequences. Getting rid of guns doesn't stop murderers from murdering, it just takes one option out of their toolbag. We need to address the deeper issues that create murderers. But no one wants to have that discussion because it is hard, it's much easier to say lets just ban guns and you can feel good about yourself for "doing something".
I too just wrote a lengthy response and it disappeared. This forum can be frustrating.
Agreed: To really get my point across would require a very long exposition and it wouldn't fit this forum.. But here's a snippet, anyway.
But I'm afraid you're giving the human species too much credit in your approach to solving this problem. We are essentially animals; animals who have mastered tools- one being the gun, or ''hand cannon'', which was invented for warfare. I agree that there are underlying causes for gun violence- self control being one of them. But do you really think that as a species we are capable of such perfection where everyone will own a killing tool and use it only in the rare perfect situation? The bottom line is that we don't need guns for anything beside sport shooting and we shouldn't have them at home. I suppose it's advanced thinking to understand that guns have no place in a forward thinking society. Nobody is trying to ''feel good about themselves for doing something'' - people are trying to take guns off the streets to cut back on gun murders. So far, the NRA has succeeded in not letting this happen.
[In case you are reverting to the old argument about the use of the tool, I provided damning evidence that it is harder to kill someone with a knife than with a gun.] -see previous post
Ironheadjack, are you really comparing VT with NJ? This logic will get shot down every time as demographics are different. Present me with real evidence which supports your belief that guns make you safer. Having such a machine in your home puts you, your family, whoever is in your home, at a risk. I'm not sure why this needs explaining? Perhaps you should have your head examined. Possessing a gun makes you less safe not more safe - Tulsa FBI | Examiner.com
Your concluding logic implies a fundamental belief that we essentially live in a lawless society, where evil dwells. This foundation of thought is the root problem, I suppose. How do you expect change to occur with this ideology?
My original post stated my belief that guns kill people - as seen last week in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Try to tell me that the killings would have taken place if this mentally ill person did not have access to this killing machine that he was itching to use.
We don't need guns folks - they cause situations like above and end lives.
The best answer to this problem is to explain to people that owning a gun contributes to the problem. But I guess everyone thinks they are an exception. We need to spread more research, develop an education plan for guns, and develop an effective gun control plan.


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