ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

I think I've come to see the titulo propio as the equivalent to a US nationally accredited degree

The comparison doesn't work in the U.S. context. An NA degree doesn't stop you from working in U.S. government or entering a U.S. Doctoral program the way a propio in Spain stops you from Spanish government work or entering a Doctoral program in Spain. Funnily enough, a propio from Spain used in America doesn't stop you from doing those things in American either. The other thing is, if you go to work in an official U.S. government position or try to enter a U.S. Doctoral program you'll more than likely be getting a foreign credential evaluation at some point, and it's at that point your propio will either be determined as equivalent to a U.S. regionally accredited credential or U.S. non-accredited, but never nationally accredited as--to my knowledge-- there are no evaluators who evaluate for NA equivalence.

Phew, there's a lot to unpack here, and I really don't want to turn this into a rehash of the other thread. Let me start by saying that I do not mean to make any objective value statements with my posts. I am speaking about how I feel, and my interpretation of a titulo propio's reputation. I agree that online articles and everything else have their own biases, and you need to take all that information into account. I agree that no foreign credit evaluator will say it's equivalent to a nationally accredited degree. I mean that I feel (and you can't tell me that how I feel is wrong) like a titulo propio in Spain may have the reputation a NA degree has in the US: Most don't care, and those that do are mostly in academia, and only care because they have a titulo oficial.

Here's what I disagree with (in this thread, not with you specifically): I personally believe that listing Universidad Isabel I as the degree-granting institution is disingenuous at best, and a lie at worst. I feel that putting ENEB, or European Business School of Barcelona, as the granting institution is much more correct.

I have searched through publicly-available CVs of Spainards, and they do not differentiate between a titulo propio and titulo oficial. The name of the school seems to do that on its own in Spain. Hiring managers recognize that a "business school" is likely a titulo propio, and a "university" is a titulo oficial. This may not always be true (https://www.nebrija.com/en/postgraduate-degree/ is proof that Spanish Universities deliver titulo propio degrees), of course, but it's the conclusion I'm going to jump to with a small sample size, and that fact that it really doesn't matter to me and my career plans.

I'm not here to tell anyone how they should feel. That's none of my concern. My concern is to try to deal in factual information as much as possible. Just to let you know, ENEB itself has in the past communicated how to list the credentials. They have said it is perfectly acceptable to list Isabel, and they have also gone on to list all of the different conventions that it can be listed as (Isabel I University, Isabel International University, and a number of other combinations in Spanish, I posted about this here sometime in 2020). At the end of the day, you're being issued a separate degree document with Isabel's name, logo, seal, stamp, and chancellor's signature, with a QR code and verification number that can be input into Isabel's verification website that carries Isabel's logo. So it shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that they would communicate what they did.

They've also told some that it is okay to list the Master's as an MA in (insert major). Do I agree that people should do that? Personally, I would advise against it because I'm very much for listing things as they're written to avoid any confusion, but if the school says it's okay then their official word trumps the unofficial.