ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

Ah, Thorne beat me to it. There is a little more, some is in the old mega thread, some in emails we've discussed in the past here and on degreeinfo, but I think the gist has been posted.

Something I found interesting is that one of the Formacion schools has it setup where you can get transcripts directly from the Universities for 75 euros. The school they told me one could get a transcript from was San Jorge University. I'll check and see if Isabel participates with their transcript program. If so, it will be one of the first exceptions with Isabel.

Got my answer. Nope. Isabel doesn't participate. Diploma only.

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Given that I rarely speak in certainties

Given that I rarely speak in certainties, this sounds quite unlike me. I think listing this 'degree' alongside worthwhile qualifications will take away from the overall quality of an candidate. I also think ENEB is ethically questionable. But I doubt I'd make promises about the practices of foreign evaluators.

Well, I'll put it a different way: you didn't speak about it with any uncertainty. If you see ENEB as "ethically questionable" (lol, what?) then you must view all Spanish propios that way since ENEB isn't doing anything different from the norm there.

Regardless, it's great to hear American evaluators have evaluated it as equivalent to a 'regular' Masters degree! Here I had been thinking there was all this debate over which evaluator was best to go with, since some evaluated it as a pseudo-bachelor, others as a grad cert, etc etc. But it sounds like that's resolved, and we no longer need to discuss. Great! The science is settled.

LOL! Why are you doing this? You know that the evaluations have gone: U.S. RA Bachelor's, U.S. RA Graduate Diploma, U.S. Non-accredited Master's. None of that is a secret, and none of those outcomes are anything but good. innen_oda, you fought a good fight, but you lost. It's time to let go and let God 

Nope. Checking quals is usually a final stage action. Doing it any earlier (before you've selected your final preferred candidate) would mean having to check the quals of multiple candidates, rather than just your best candidate.


Unfortunately, SOMETHING has to come last when hiring someone, and there will be times when an applicant looks perfect for most of the process, only to fall at the final hurdle. It happens, and is (sadly) unavoidable. If no candidate ever fell at a final hurdle . . . we wouldn't bother with the hurdle.

I'm aware that the final step is usually a background check, but once upon a time in the early 2000's I did that job, and when I reached the stage of narrowing down the few candidates I wanted to have interviewed I did my own preliminary checks doing what most do today: an internet search. It took very little time. On a number of occasions I caught people with degrees from Axact and Axact-like outfits, people with very off-color online posts on Facebook, Myspace, and so on, and when I did those people got cut. That saved me a ton of time not having to have them interviewed and some of the expense of us doing the full background check. I'm sure that's not how most companies do it, but that's how I did it.

But ignore all of that. I've realised your post has much wisdom, and you are correct that absolutely no harm can come from following ENEB's advice. I fully encourage you to list your ENEB degree as a 'Isabel I Masters in (specialisation)', avoid mentioning anything about ENEB or titulo propio, and apply far and wide. You deserve to put this ENEB - no, Isabel I - true and honest Masters-level qualification on your CV. Nothing bad will ever come of it.

LOL! Well, I don't have an ENEB or Isabel degree or have any plans to get one, but given that the Isabel diploma is an Isabel diploma with all of the ID, insignia, signature, and verification through Isabel, I'm fairly certain that listing it as what it is and it being able to get verified as such when one checks would make it impossible for anything bad to come of it. But you're here for doom so I get the angle. Just remember, you signaled doom for this all before a number of times and it didn't happen. There was once a story with a similar theme written by Aesop, and in some English translations the protagonist was eaten...

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When we study for an official university, we rewarded by designation like BA, MA.

As far as I know, ENEB does not grant designation.  I don't think we can put it in our name after we completed ENEB.

Because it does not grant the designation, I put them on my CV as Master's Certificate on .... by...  No problem so far.

That's way off. In the United States for instance, the MBA is neither designated as an Arts or Sciences degree and that doesn't make it a Master's certificate.

If a person wants an Arts or Sciences designation in this example (not that it even matters to be honest), they'll have to get a Master of Science in Business Administration which interestingly enough is not looked at as prestigious as the MBA despite the degrees being essentially identical in scope and purpose. There are many other examples of degrees that don't carry Arts and Sciences designation in the U.S. (Master of Professional Studies is another, various Doctorates and so on) but the main thing that has to be understood is that those Arts and Sciences designations are just not used in many parts of the world and Spain is one of them. You're applying American education customs to the Spanish system and downgrading your own credential, not in a purposeful way to be dishonest at least, but still.

Designations/post-nominals are built into all degrees however, and Arts and Sciences aren't the only ones that exist. For example, if you finished ENEB's Master in Project Management, you have an MPM. If you finished Georgetown University's Master of Professional Studies, you have an MPS. Now, will these designations be well-known to the average person? No, but the average person doesn't know a lot of things, that doesn't make them any less legitimate.