04-21-2022, 09:47 AM
(04-20-2022, 08:31 PM)freeloader Wrote:(04-20-2022, 06:21 PM)jsh1138 Wrote: Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that some people made money off of slavery instead of lumping all white people, including those from states that never allowed slavery, together? Wouldn't it be more honest to say that this is a class issue rather than a race issue? Don't you feel kind of stupid damning the hundreds of thousands of people who died fighting against slavery during the Civil War as racists who got rich off of the practice?
It's fun how fast "I TEACH FACTS" turns into "well I can only talk about my experiences" when someone is challenged.
...I would like to know who, exactly, damed the Yankee soldiers who died in the Civil War. Nobody in this thread, that I can see. I think on your part, OP, that it is remarkably shortsighted and frankly ill-informed to think that a Civil War soldier who died fighting for the North couldn't also have benefited from slavery. Men on both sides fought for many reasons. Based on the work that has been done looking at soldiers' letters and journals, that few from the North (at least prior to the Emancipation Proclamation) would have stated they were fighting to end slavery. They were fighting for their nation, for their families, for their friends. The same was largely true of the South, though more soldiers said they were fighting to defend slavery, including early in the war. Many expressed fear that freed slaves would take over the South, raping and murdering along the way. I think a farm kid who grew up in Indiana and joined up at age 17 in 1862 and whose father sold a few bushels of wheat each year to raise a little cash could benefit from slavery (through the sale of the wheat) and could die on a Civil War battlefield in a war to end slavery. But he more likely than not did not fully comprehend that his family benefited from slavery, more likely than not was fighting for reasons other than ending slavery, and--lets be honest--might have personally disliked or even hated black people. ...
I am reminded of a scene from the film Gangs of New York in which immigrants were herded straight off the ships into the waiting arms of the Union Army recruiters (conscriptors). I doubt very much that these men felt they were fighting to end slavery.
https://www.essentialcivilwarcurriculum....e%20ethnic
Beyond that, I would simply refer to the old adage "A rising tide lifts all boats" as an indication that if slavery added to the overall economy in any substantial way (and I think it did) then all white people benefitted from it to some degree.
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2014/11/...my-baptist


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