ENEB Master Thread

[bjcheung77]

@michaeladsmith2, I forget, did you change your program?  I see PhD, Doctor of Philosophy, Swiss School of Business Research in your signature instead of a previous program of the same level.  What program did you change from to this? Again, I forget what subject it was in as well, I remember something at least - it was an institution in Florida instead of an international one...

AES' review is in. Their review is rather weird. It opens with "one year of study at unaccredited program" but it closes with this statement: ""comparable to completion of one year of study at a regionally accredited institution of higher education"

I sent the evaluation back to them basiclaly wtf.

Now that sounds ridiculous!   However, IEE basically stated something similar about Azteca Universidad's degrees that don't have RVOE.  They gave a Doctor of Science recipient the evaluation of a Post-Doctoral Program completed at a regionally accredited institution / non-accredited program and stated that since the program is not RVOE accredited that it is essentially a non-accredited program in the United States.   What AES is stating is taking a similar position to IEE with non-RVOE degrees from Mexico with the Spanish Propio but they took it a step further by not only giving the unaccredited program descriptor but also evaluating the Master Propio as an incomplete degree (studies only).  Possibly the worst evaluation we've seen because from what we have seen previously, evaluators generally penalize either the accreditation or the degree, AES double-penalized on this one.

1) Just curious - Has anyone tried getting an evaluation from another NACES member, Institute of Foreign Credential Services? If someone who wants to try a different FCE provider - They're a new member to NACES, they may provide a more favorable evaluation, and I mentioned them in a previous post here: https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-...#pid382279

2) Evaluations from any NACES/AICE members, or non-members are going to vary wildly, this is because they can only look at the degree content on the 'outside'.  Criteria they investigate are all superficial as they do not have the course content to fully evaluate course-by-course, they use what they have access to equally.  It's not as crazy as it seems when evaluations come in as favorable (accredited) or non-favorable (non-accredited).

3) What criteria evaluations use that differs from say an RA institution vs a non-RA institution? Nothing!  Example, you're in Canada, you attend an RA institution (there are only 4 universities at the moment that have RA) and have a degree, and you complete another degree from a non-RA institution.  The criteria they go by is exactly the same as they don't have access to the course syllabus or anything 'internal' at the universities, they can only compare what they have access to that's basically public info and determine from that.

4) How long does it take for an average evaluation? Do you think they would spend a few hours on each one?  No, I think they'll just do a quick evaluation and at most spend an hour.  They need to verify a few criteria and note if the government or the ministry of education has the institution on their "accredited/approved" list, the level of the degree, course 'names', dates, etc.  Even with a course-by-course, they won't go through all 40 courses to verify content at the undergrad level!  For grad level, it's roughly less, at 10-12 courses, I doubt they'll do so either.

What I believe these FCE does is pretty much the same as what universities do for applications, verify that everything checks out before admitting the students. They go by selective criteria to allow entry into a community college, public, or private university, and review them for entrance purposes.  These evaluations we go through are identical for each and every school, the same for the FCE's, they get the same info and will research/review what's in-house or online, etc.  Heck, all-in-all, I think FCE's are a waste of money for students and a cash grab for those FCE's, they should be done internally at the institutions you apply to... but that's just me, there are some that do, such as Walden...