ENEB Master Thread

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Continuing education seems to be a fair option to me, to be honest.  There's not much instruction going on.  You are mostly on your own to read and find relevant videos - then write a paper about a specific situation/topic.  I am treating this as a personal study.  

Also, titulos de propios is not considered part of formal education in Spain.  As someone said above, the closest comparison might be RA vs NA.  The private sector can accept it for employment purposes, but it won't get you into a doctoral program nor be recognized for employment in the government sector in Spain.

https://acei-global.blog/2015/05/28/spai...lo-propio/

It's not fair. Especially in light of the fact that degree programs in the US are developed, modified, and/or eliminated by individual universities without direct oversight from the federal government. Using ACEI's own definitions and policy, that makes every US degree a propio degree.

There is also the fact that, like Spain, there is a two-tier graduate degree system in the US. The traditional master's degree prepares students for doctoral programs by teaching academic research (thesis preparation) and then requiring a thesis paper and a thesis defense. This is the option students choose if they intend to enter academia immediately or think they will in the future.

The terminal master's degree prepares students to enter industry and not academia and, as such, don't require a thesis paper or defense. If one is not interested in entering academia, why does one need to be taught to compete in the "publish or perish" atmosphere of academia? One does not, which is why terminal master's degrees exist.

In the US, both of these master's degrees are considered full master's degrees and there is no stigma in having a terminal master's degree. NACES and its member organizations know this, but still won't give full equivalency to Spanish Master Propio degrees, even though they are identical in nature and purpose to terminal degrees in the US.

And, let's talk about the case of the MBA. MBAs are professional or specialized master's degrees that don't require a thesis or thesis defense even here in the US. Yet, NACES member organizations won't give the ENEB/UI1 MBA full equivalency and even, in one case, downgrades it to a bachelor's in business administration degree.

Lastly, there is a second accreditation system in the US -- national accreditation. Given that the ENEB/UI1 Master Propio degrees are terminal master's degrees, it's hard to understand why NACES member organizations wouldn't give them equivalency to either a RA terminal master's degree or a NA terminal master's degree, instead of saying that they're not degrees at all (but graduate credits or certificate) or are equivalent to, even worse, unaccredited master's degrees.

ACEI and the other NACES members' justifications for not awarding full degree status to Master Propio degrees is a red herring. 

NACES (in its own words) is a trade association.  The purpose of a trade association is to represent the interests of the industry in which it operates. NACES is a trade association whose purpose is to represent the interests of the US higher education industry. They are acting to protect the financial bottom line of the prohibitively expensive US higher education industry by downgrading low-cost propio degrees from other countries; specifically, in this instance, Spain. 

I have no doubt that they're trying to discourage as many Americans as possible from pursuing low-cost Spanish propio degrees by not giving them full equivalency to any type of US master's degree. And that pisses me off. But, this isn't my first time at the rodeo, so I know how to work around them. <evil grin>