My definition of conservative

[Ruddigore]

Gary, I have enjoyed the verbal give take we have had over the past few months. You have helped me define more clearly what I am and what I stand for.

I may say the same. I continue to see where I stand and why I stand there...and why others do not.

You have obviously never driven past a real active church. Unfortunately, the church at large has its share of hypocrites as well. It has failed to fulfill the responsibilities given by God. We are not and don't claim to be better humans.

Indeed indeed. I can think of people now who have not persevered in my own church. I agree with Farmerboy entirely.

In order to pull me out of my loop inside the box that has molded my head go through any of my posts as I have done with yours and without resorting to emotional arguments show me why I am wrong. I don't even need facts just give me your honest opinion and your way to fix it. I agree with your assessment of cronyism and corruption so don't beat that dead horse please! Come up with a new argument... I am all ears.

I am all ears as well. If ICers were ever given control of the country, we should already have a plan worked out, right? hilarious