ENEB Master Thread

[michaeladsmith2]

In speaking with TESU again, here is the email they sent back to me confirming the receipt of credits (per ECE), even though it's 2.50 credits per ENEB course. I am also working with Excelsior to see if they accept these credits (unofficially) - I sent them the ECE Unofficial Report - even though they ONLY accept a Subject Analysis Report ($275.00+). 

The second part (about the 30 credit limit on Graduate-level credits transferring to undergrad) may not be correct. She said only the TESU Evaluator can answer the question of credits allowed into an undergrad program. 

Good afternoon Michael,

I hope you are well!  I spoke with advising and they confirmed that the 2.5 credit will cover the course and as I explained,  the difference of the .5 will need to be made up in a separate section. He advised that you do indeed send in this transcript and let us official evaluate the credit. You may be better off in a business degree.  He also stated that you are only able to transfer in 30 credits of graduate level credit into an undergraduate degree.  You should not need to petition ECE on anything.  Thank you! 

Allison Chambers | Associate Director 

Military and Veteran Enrollment and Outreach
Thomas Edison State University 
111 W. State St. | Trenton, NJ 08608 
p. (609) 777-5696, ext. 4523
e. achambers@tesu.edu

Side note: I did reach out to ECE to have the report reevaluated. I shared with them my concerns on the 2.5 potentially not being able to transfer and in reality they are just taking your money, knowing that 2.5 credits typically doesn't transfer to a 3 credit upper division undergrad equivalency - hence the report could be useless. I'm supposed to get an answer within 2 business days. Could be a fool's errand to get a full refund or have them adjust the hours to 3-credits per ENEB course. We'll see! 

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I think everyone is getting a bit too emotional over all of this. Can we all step back and do some proper analysis of the actual facts regarding the programs from ENEB? Has anyone actually had the courses/degrees accepted by a regionally accredited university for transfer credit or for proof of fulfilling any prerequisites for further education?

Most who look at ENEB programs for the price see detractors as far as being too good to be true, low quality, and lacking recognition. A majority of people who have taken their programs say they were more than sufficient as a graduate level program.   It's more of an interesting phenomenon than anything else. 

As far as furthering education and meeting other prerequisites with ENEB, Michael Smith (michaeladsmith2) who recently posted has earned 2 Masters and is currently working on 2 more.    He has been able to use his degrees to not only meet requirements for entry into a law school program (without a Bachelors/BA equivalent) but he is also using the two masters he is working on as completion credits to complete a Bachelors degree.  He has several years of experience as a veteran, actor, and minister so that experience allowed him to enter the ENEB Masters programs despite having only junior level status as an undergraduate.  He is using his degrees to not only further his education but also fill the gaps missed from his incomplete Bachelors degree.

On a side yet similar note, I've passed although not officially been awarded a PhD from UCN (Universidad Central Nicaragua) that has been a constant discussion and battle for about 5 years or so in the sister forum degreeinfo.com.  The degree costs about $5000 to $6000 but is blacklisted by several foreign credential evaluators. They have a lot of validation schemes with universities offering the Spanish Propio programs similar to ENEB and state-approved/authorized college degrees but they have been granted full recognition as compatible with regional accreditation by several evaluators when degrees are awarded through them.  I may do an ENEB degree in the future to meet the qualification to teach business at the college level and for personal enrichment.

If possible can u get the UCN PhD evaluated by UoT CES? AFAIK they are the only ones in Canada that havent blacklisted UCN

I'm not sure about any evaluators from Canada as far as who will evaluate UCN's degrees.   You may need to inqure to UoT CES about UCN"s PhD directly.  I know that on our degreeforum's ENEB Wiki,  Quebec Ministry of Immigration evaluated ENEB/UI1 as equivalent to a Masters so maybe they would evaluate UCN's PhD as its proper equivalent.   From the US,  I know that Spantan, ERES, and IEE have all evaluated UCN's degrees with full recognition based on past graduates who used their services to evaluate their degrees.   There are two new NACES evaluators here in the USA that just came out in May 2022.  I believe the newest evaluators are often times the most progressive and willing to evaluate degrees as equivalent from countries with controversial academic recognitions or structures.

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When I finish my ENEB Master in Digital Marketing and eCommerce, I will try to evaluate by IEE or ACEI (according to https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/ENEB). Hope it can be equated to a graduate certificate then I can use for transfer graduate credits. If anyone has done the evaluation by IEE or ACEI, could you please share the results?

I'm still thinking about completing one of ENEB's degrees and the Digital Marketing and eCommerce program was one of my top choices.   To assist with the ENEB wiki of this forum, I may go ahead and use one of the two newest NACES members for more references that just came on the seen in May 2022.  They are Institute of Foreign Credential Services, Inc. & International Academic Credential Evaluators, Inc.  Who knows, maybe one of them will give a regionally accredited Masters equivalent.    [/url]

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GREETINGS EVERYONE:

So, as mentioned before, I am an MBA+Masters in Business & Corporate Communication alumnus of ENEB. Well today, my ECE Foreign Credential Evaluation has come back. Here is the Google Drive link for you to see the Course-by-Course (Unofficial Copy) report.

[url=https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hEz2HDx-esR_jXEIXMJrSlPGUU3_nSbu/view?usp=sharing]ECE ENEB Report (Unofficial Copy) (it's also attached to this post in PDF)

Looks good. This is now the second time ECE has given RA equivalence. The other time wasn't a course-by-course report but the less expensive employment report. The credit shaving is strange to me but I've heard of this happening with WES often and Dr. Coleman has mentioned his own issue with WES doing that, smh. Not sure why evaluators do that without explanation.

The one real issue I have is with this line: "Admission Requirement: U.S equivalent of 3 years of undergraduate study". But that's not the requirement. ENEB doesn't differentiate between 3 year or 4 year Bachelor's degrees especially when enrolling Americans, they only require a Bachelor's degree regardless of the timetable. The person with the first report showed the explanation from ECE which said that the decision was based on ENEB enrolling 3-year Bachelor's degree holders, but of course they would since they live in a region of the world where the 3-year Bachelor's degree is common, lol. They also by default require 4-year Bachelor's degrees from American students since 4-years is the standard for American Bachelor's degree. So either they're not thinking that through or that's their angle to not give 1:1 equivalence.

In any case, this works out either way for you given that TESU accepts the credits. I do see one possible area of opportunity here though: based on how they put both degrees in one evaluation, I'd only send one degree for evaluation at a time so each one has its own separate report. Unless they as a practice use prior reports to apply to newer ones, this would allow each degree to be evaluated for full credit on their own rather than having credits from the second degree on the report being influence by the first or vice versa. Granted, if you submit both to a school they're going to see duplicate credits, but I think it's better to have separate evaluations for each so that if for some reason you need just one degree for a certain thing and not the other, there will be no issue with full credit being identified for that degree.

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I needed to make a minor edit, but I can't see my previous post, lol. 

I know that deletions cause a bug to trigger in the forum software. I wonder if mods are able to edit posts, erase the content, and write "deleted" rather than actually deleting the posts? Maybe that would prevent the issue from occurring.

These evaluators make me laugh at times but they also anger me.    I'm thinking that the reason why they gave 2.5 for every course instead of the standard 3 is because they were trying to convert 60 ECTS hours into 30 credits hours.    They wanted to take the typical 11/12 courses for each degree and rather than give 3 credits each for a total of 36, they wanted to make it a flat 30 in order to fit perfectly in the conversion.     My partners credit number from the Philippines went from 47 credits to 34 credits as they shaved one credit for each course to represent one year of study.  However as a educational counselor on record, I had to explain the rationale and correct the evaluation so our community college could accept it as they were not going to accept it nor did WES agree to revise it.

WES and ECE are very conservative evaluators that were among the first out when their services started in the 1980s.   There have been a couple of news ones come out this year with IEE being the youngest one since 2018 up to this past May.  IEE seems to be the most progressive evaluator and is willing to give pre-evaluation information.  I hope the new ones do the same.

IEE does not offer pre-assessments. I just asked their Chat Agent. This is what came back:

"We do not have pre-assessments in place. Your equivalency will be determined after the evaluation process, so you need to have them evaluated for you to get the results." - Lulu