ENEB Master Thread

[jackthehuman]

So back to the exam topic, I asked about the validation with Isabel, and if there were any notations on the transcript. They basically are saying that everything is exactly the same as handing in all the coursework. This is all very confusing to me because I don't want to spend tons of hours writing papers if this becomes a diploma mill, and I certainly don't want to pay for a validation that says zero credit. I'm wondering what others are planning to do. Pay for the exam? Complete the coursework? Cut your losses?

[RoboPanda]

I mean, if you have already paid for the program, then you have already committed. Might as well finish it for personal development and treat it like a Coursera or Udemy business program.

[collegecareerstudent]

I'm confused. Are people suggesting because there is an exam option now that it's a bad thing and that the diplomas lose value? I just paid for three exams so I'll let you know how it goes.

[KSoul]

LOL. Do you not know what overrepresented means? They are disproportionately represented among school closures. That means the percentage of school closures that involve for-profit institutions is higher than the percentage of colleges and universities that are for-profit. Yes, even 4-year for-profits are OVERREPRESENTED.

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Either Ksoul didn't actually look at the study, or they didn't comprehend what the figures meant. The report included simple, easy to understand graphics, so I'm not sure how a college-educated person could get confused.

https://ibb.co/ScpLXn1

49.9% of school closures involved 2-year for-profits 
28.1% of school closures involved 4-year for-profits 
17.8% of school closures involved 4-year nonprofits
3.4% if school closures involved 2-year nonprofits
0.9% of school closures involved public schools 

Now, which two categories have the highest share of school closures? I put them in descending order to make it easy to figure out.

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The hilarious part is that the study excluded schools that didn't participate in National Student Clearinghouse data collection. Guess which sector is the least likely to report to the National Student Clearinghouse. FOR-PROFITS!!! That means that for-profits were undercounted more than any other sector, and they still made up over three-quarters of school closures.

I think what has been lost is that my position was in the narrative that non-provide schools close at a high rate as well. The 4-year variance though meaningful in this study, highlights that 4-year non-profit schools are not a haven to closures vs. for-profit. And, the constant dig at ENEB is a personal agenda.

Side note: since a dig was taken, I am more than open to having fun with a case study analysis challenge whenever we both have a break in our schedules. Your Ph.D. has been pending for some time now, so I am sure you have had plenty of practice and a leg up on me.

Underrepresentation and not making up a plurality or majority typically wouldn't be considered a high rate. 40% of for-profits closed between 2010 and 2020. Public and private non-profit colleges don't come close to that.

Oh! I haven't updated my signature on this forum. Thanks for reminding me. Obviously, I received excellent stats and research methods training at a university with standards and real research courses.

Legitimate laugh / No digs or smart-ass comments. The signature cracked me up. I am still laughing as I type.

Well played and appreciated.

LOL. No hard feelings. I sincerely do wish you the best of luck at VUL.

Zero hard feelings and thank you for the well wishes.

[eLearner]

Wow.

I read through some of the recent pages since I last posted, and it just keeps looking worse. I mean those emails just scream AXACT. It's repulsive. "Examns"? C'mon. And reading the emails, it doesn't look like they understand at all. Just offering a "Classical Methodology" version doesn't fix the problem, because as long as people can just take a 50 question exam and get a whole Masters, the program's credibility is ruined.

Folks, there is no bigger proponent of alternative educational paths, low-cost paths, etc. than me, and what ENEB was doing up to this point was a great move. But this is absurd. A 50 question degree is diploma mill behavior, plain and simple. If they really want to ditch essays, then they should make a full program based entirely on exams that cover each course within each degree program. It really isn't hard to do at all. That would be respectable. This 50 question business is going to sink their credibility for good, and rightfully so.

[collegecareerstudent]

Wow.

I read through some of the recent pages since I last posted, and it just keeps looking worse. I mean those emails just scream AXACT. It's repulsive. "Examns"? C'mon. And reading the emails, it doesn't look like they understand at all. Just offering a "Classical Methodology" version doesn't fix the problem, because as long as people can just take a 50 question exam and get a whole Masters, the program's credibility is ruined.

Folks, there is no bigger proponent of alternative educational paths, low-cost paths, etc. than me, and what ENEB was doing up to this point was a great move. But this is absurd. A 50 question degree is diploma mill behavior, plain and simple. If they really want to ditch essays, then they should make a full program based entirely on exams that cover each course within each degree program. It really isn't hard to do at all. That would be respectable. This 50 question business is going to sink their credibility for good, and rightfully so.

Oh. I see. The degree program is completed from the one test. That's not good.   Originally, I was under the impression it was exam per class in the module sequence.

[jackthehuman]

I want to confirm what other's have said. I chatted with them and they have directly acknowledged that everything remains the same.
They seem to think that the ECT credits and the Isabel I endorsement is still valid. But there will be no marks on the transcripts.

Like someone else said, it might make sense to just take this is a learning experience such as Coursera. But honestly, for whatever we paid (100-200), we could have gotten much better materials from Coursera or Udemy than the PDFs that ENEB provides. 

I'm still working on my strategy paper and will submit it soon and see how it goes. Honestly, giving the company any more money for an exam, that is actually saving them money in grader time, does not make sense to me.

[StoicJ]

I am going to attempt the exam.


And "Examn"? I don't see the big deal. A Spain-based program translated examen to examn rather than exam. I have seen similar errors by major U.S. universities. If any of you have taken those University of South Florida free business school certs you've seen FAR worse 

[KSoul]

I am going to attempt the exam.


And "Examn"? I don't see the big deal. A Spain-based program translated examen to examn rather than exam. I have seen similar errors by major U.S. universities. If any of you have taken those University of South Florida free business school certs you've seen FAR worse 

Some not-surprising supporting evidence:

13 of the World's Top 20 Universities Misspell "University" on Their Own Website

Who Are The Worst Spelling Colleges in the Ivy League?
[url=https://www.dittotranscripts.com/blog/worst-spelling-ivy-league-school/][/url]
As our world becomes increasingly reliant on technology and alternative forms of consuming information, the once-revered art of spelling seems to be fading into obscurity. With the integration of spell-checking tools in our writing and the popularity of podcasts, audiobooks, and YouTube, visualizing and correctly spelling words has taken a backseat.

I witnessed this trend's impact early on as I accompanied my father during his work with Fortune 500 companies. He consistently pointed out errors in mission statements and other essential documents representing these prestigious organizations. Sadly, as I navigate my career, I have noticed that this issue has only worsened. Many individuals now write casually, allowing these spelling errors to slip through the cracks.

In the digital world, we live in, multitasking has become the norm. Whether typing hastily on our phones or being distracted, it is easy to make mistakes that find their way onto the internet. I have fallen to this and am confident special spelling missteps are connecting to me hanging out there online. However, based on the second link, perhaps our errors should be celebrated as instep with some of the most celebrated minds. Or an example of how our best are not the ones getting into these Ivy schools and, more times, it's our privileged. Yes, a much deeper conversation than needed in this thread.

[sparkling]

I don’t know why I keep having issues with the foreign credential evaluators.

I paid for a course by course official evaluation (with the extra cost of $50.00 for the verification) with IEE, but after chatting with customer support for clarification about the documents, they changed my evaluation to a provisional one. Customer chat said it wouldn’t be different than an official evaluation with exception to how the documents are received and noted, but they included an additional note on the evaluation that I’m not happy with, and I’m not sure the jobs I’m applying for will accept now. (“This report is based on scanned academic documents at the request of the student and is provisional in nature. Receiving institutions should require the student to submit official documents to IEE for reevaluation as soon as circumstances allow.”) This statement makes it appear that I didn’t include the official electronic documents that I received from ENEB/Isabel.

IEE evaluated my Masters degree as regionally accredited and a US equivalency of a “Graduate Certificate.” BUT they also shaved my per class credits to 2.50 instead of what they gave Thodeptrai of 2.75 and later upgraded his to 3.0 per class.

What is going on? I don’t know how I can get them to rectify these issues (official vs provisional evaluation and increasing per class credits). I’ve sent a couple of emails to the admin department that sent me the evaluation, (I'm afraid of chatting with customer support again since they're the ones who told me there wasn't any difference between the evaluations (except for how they receive the documents), and that ended up being untrue), but admin hasn’t responded.

If anyone has advise or suggestions, I’m open to reading them.