ENEB New Master Thread

[icecubetr]

ECE has apparently changed their stance on calculating GPAs for this program. Earlier evaluations from them show grades and GPAs having been calculated. The most recent one I saw where they did calculate a GPA was posted here from 2022. I don't know if there have been any others since. But having read some information and talked to some people, it appears that the new stance is based on the fact that the transcript comes from ENEB and not Isabel.

However, I know of one person who finished a Spanish degree and the transcript came directly from the university and ECE still wouldn't calculate a GPA. The evaluator claimed that the grades need to be on the diploma, but that's nonsensical because that's not customary here or in Spain. Then the evaluator gave a bunch of completely false reasons for why they wouldn't evaluate the program as a Master's; reasons that any of us would've picked up on as being completely wrong immediately.

I'm starting to question if ECE has a grasp on what they're doing.

You raise a great question. Those foreign credential evaluators are gatekeeping US equivalency. Otherwise, the "non-profit" online degree mills, where you pay USD 20,000 for a master's degree, would be very upset. If you want a US master's equivalency for free or at a very low cost, you can study online at a public German university. If you want it easy, you can pay 20k to a degree mill in the US, do minimal work, wait for 1.5 years, and graduate with a 4.0 GPA. If you are willing to do the work, there are plenty of master's programs at around USD 4000 to 15,000. FCEs don't like the idea that you can get away with a cheap degree mill master's degree. Some of them will evaluate it because you are awarded a credential by an accredited university, but only as a bachelor's degree or graduate credit. Now, if this program were priced at 5k Euros, it would be a different story.

We should accept that ENEB programs are useful as a stepping stone for earning a more reputable degree or for showing willingness to learn new things to your prospective employers, stop bugging FCEs about it, and move on.

[eLearner]

In the United States, 20K for a Master's is considered a steal, lol. That's how bad things are here. The average is about 45K, and I've seen some hit the 70s. That shouldn't even be legal.

I hear you. I do believe that the FCEs really are playing defense for the machine based on some of the objectively ridiculous decisions I've seen them make based on standards that are obviously completely made up and have no basis in law or regulation. They forget that the Americans who are asking for evaluations are educated people who are savvier and more knowledgeable about these systems than the average human and can see through what the FCEs are doing. I understand their position though. They don't want to be responsible for legitimizing Americans getting a good education for 1/1000th of the price they would pay for the same thing in the U.S. and creating bad will between the FCE industry and the universities. Still, that of course doesn't make it right.

[artem]

ECE has apparently changed their stance on calculating GPAs for this program. Earlier evaluations from them show grades and GPAs having been calculated. The most recent one I saw where they did calculate a GPA was posted here from 2022. I don't know if there have been any others since. But having read some information and talked to some people, it appears that the new stance is based on the fact that the transcript comes from ENEB and not Isabel.

However, I know of one person who finished a Spanish degree and the transcript came directly from the university and ECE still wouldn't calculate a GPA. The evaluator claimed that the grades need to be on the diploma, but that's nonsensical because that's not customary here or in Spain. Then the evaluator gave a bunch of completely false reasons for why they wouldn't evaluate the program as a Master's; reasons that any of us would've picked up on as being completely wrong immediately.

I'm starting to question if ECE has a grasp on what they're doing.

Recent ECE evaluation.
No GPA
No course credits, only overall

[eLearner]

Recent ECE evaluation.
No GPA
No course credits, only overall

I'm curious about some things:

Did you take the 1-exam option with ENEB? Or did you do the course-by-course option?

Did you order the evaluation that included the GPA calculation service?

Did you order a course-by-course evaluation?

If you ordered the GPA service and the course-by-course evaluation service, did ECE refund you for not performing those services?

[artem]

Recent ECE evaluation.
No GPA
No course credits, only overall

I'm curious about some things:

Did you take the 1-exam option with ENEB? Or did you do the course-by-course option?

Did you order the evaluation that included the GPA calculation service?

Did you order a course-by-course evaluation?

If you ordered the GPA service and the course-by-course evaluation service, did ECE refund you for not performing those services?

There is no mention in the transcript of the exam approach taken, so it does not affect the evaluation.
It is seen that this is a course-by-course evaluation.
GPA is always part of the course-by-course eval.
GPA was never calculated for at least the last 2 years.

[eLearner]

You can get a GPA with the general report, but it looks like they're not doing it for ENEB no matter what now. It's interesting to know that it's been 2 years.

In some way, even though I don't agree with it, I can at least get the point that they wouldn't take the ENEB transcript into account since one receives an Isabel diploma, but finding out that they're denying people their credential equivalency even after submitting direct University transcripts is, well, disgusting.

[MedicOne]

Will someone be updating the wiki as this is still confusing?

[huiwh1998]

Has anyone transferred the ECE evaluation to UMPI?

[artem]

You can get a GPA with the general report, but it looks like they're not doing it for ENEB no matter what now. It's interesting to know that it's been 2 years.

In some way, even though I don't agree with it, I can at least get the point that they wouldn't take the ENEB transcript into account since one receives an Isabel diploma, but finding out that they're denying people their credential equivalency even after submitting direct University transcripts is, well, disgusting.

There is nothing bad about this evaluation.
You get an RA bachelor's equivalent.
You would not be transferring credits from a completed degree, so there is no problem with absent course credits.
You can apply to many master's programs without a GPA. 
Typically, an S (satisfactory) indicates a GPA of 3.0. 
I was accepted into a doctoral program with such an evaluation. 
ENEB is an efficient way to obtain a low-cost bachelor's degree in a short period. You can get it for hundreds of dollars in a week.

[huiwh1998]

You can get a GPA with the general report, but it looks like they're not doing it for ENEB no matter what now. It's interesting to know that it's been 2 years.

In some way, even though I don't agree with it, I can at least get the point that they wouldn't take the ENEB transcript into account since one receives an Isabel diploma, but finding out that they're denying people their credential equivalency even after submitting direct University transcripts is, well, disgusting.

There is nothing bad about this evaluation.
You get an RA bachelor's equivalent.
You would not be transferring credits from a completed degree, so there is no problem with absent course credits.
You can apply to many master's programs without a GPA. 
Typically, an S (satisfactory) indicates a GPA of 3.0. 
I was accepted into a doctoral program with such an evaluation. 
ENEB is an efficient way to obtain a low-cost bachelor's degree in a short period. You can get it for hundreds of dollars in a week.

What doctoral program did you attend?