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seanmathews Wrote:Well, its a risk to jump into Stats with no prior math, but the thing with Aleks is, it explains math the same way to someone with no background as it does to someone who could be majoring in math. It could be possible for you to understand the material, but it all depends on your learning style.
I was lucky enough to have taken Algerba/Trig/Pre-Calc/Ap Stats (1/2 semester then dropped it hah) in high school , so even though it was 5 years ago and i really dont remember it. When Aleks started explaining Sigma, Standard Deviation, Intervals, Mean/Med/Mode, and Sample sizes. It brought back some prior knowledge and helped me grasp it quicker.
4 Days ago i was looking into alternatives for completing Stats, so with only a day left, i'd recommend you do the same unless you want to wait till Aleks recerts, IF they do. Or do what i did and spend 10 hrs a day on it till you go crazy, I'm nuts though.
Best of luck to you!
Yeah, I don't get their explanations at all, they don't even seem like explanations to me. I've been using Khan Academy but it just seems to be taking forever.
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If I enroll in a course that has a biochemistry prereq (I am in a course that has a biochem prereq) and I have no biochem background (I have no biochem background) then it's okay to cheat? What the heck kind of logic is that? Should I suggest that to my professor?
Listen, if you take ALEKS stats and it's too hard for you, you either have to spend more than 24 hours completing the class (duh) or do a bit more math until you are ready. This is really a no-brainer. I still don't understand why this thread is live!?
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cookderosa Wrote:If I enroll in a course that has a biochemistry prereq (I am in a course that has a biochem prereq) and I have no biochem background (I have no biochem background) then it's okay to cheat? What the heck kind of logic is that? Should I suggest that to my professor?
Listen, if you take ALEKS stats and it's too hard for you, you either have to spend more than 24 hours completing the class (duh) or do a bit more math until you are ready. This is really a no-brainer. I still don't understand why this thread is live!?
Not sure anyone said "it's ok to cheat."
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These are my notes I've taken after spending over a month in struggling with statistic. You're claiming it's cheating and unethical, but there is no difference in my finding a way to take notes, then those who prints the explanations and looking at them as they take the assessment, or using mathways, cram, or other means to get to pass the class. You can't deny this sort coping never happen, because there are many threads on how to pass aleks. My notes only included things I could not understand and find difficult. I chose to share with others since ALEKS will not be coming back. Is this note for someone who needs use statistic in his/her chosen field of work, no? But if you need to pass this class, yes, please use it. And you can't possibly tell me everything that you learned through a class, unless you're in the field, that you remember any of it and can compute it by memory. It's one of the tedious work I needed to complete, so I found a way to cope because I know for sure my eyes will never see another set of statistic class or whatever statistic like.
Getting the post delete or whatever is a nonfactor to me, people can choose to use or not.
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Using Mathway or an Excel spreadsheet is not taking notes to help you understand and pass ALEKS. It is flat out cheating. Let's not try to sugar coat it.
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JBtesc Wrote:I don't even know how to utilize the thing that was posted.
But really... has anyone here gone into ALEKS with no prior math and completed it without using anything but ALEKS?
ALEKS is terrible at explaining things... I've had to google nearly ever term I've learned so far.
Between online calculators and Khan academy I already feel like I'm "cheating" in a way.
Maybe I'm just oblivious to how much of a help that thing would be? but I really don't think anyone here would intentionally avoid utilizing a resource that made ALEKS easier.
I'm not smart enough to figure out how to cheat, lol, so I deserve to fail. 
Seriously though... my inability to get a single ALEKS course done before it expires (forever?) is really killing my self esteem...lol
The issue is these spreadsheets provide the correct answers for the final exam which means its a cheat sheet. Unless of course I read your post incorrectly which you mentioned clicking on the particular field while doing each question. I'm very bad at statistics but I'll be starting my math way back at mean and mode and working towards standard deviation and so on. It isn't always that the end justifies the means. Can this test be done without understanding the concept of variables and sample groups by using your notes? The understanding and the mental development gaining by taking these courses is why we are required to take them. The opportunity to grow mentally is the greatest thing about education not just the wallpaper but the skills you develop as you teach yourself.
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EI2HCB Wrote:The issue is these spreadsheets provide the correct answers for the final exam which means its a cheat sheet. Unless of course I read your post incorrectly which you mentioned clicking on the particular field while doing each question. I'm very bad at statistics but I'll be starting my math way back at mean and mode and working towards standard deviation and so on. It isn't always that the end justifies the means. Can this test be done without understanding the concept of variables and sample groups by using your notes? The understanding and the mental development gaining by taking these courses is why we are required to take them. The opportunity to grow mentally is the greatest thing about education not just the wallpaper but the skills you develop as you teach yourself.
Daithi Wrote:Using Mathway or an Excel spreadsheet is not taking notes to help you understand and pass ALEKS. It is flat out cheating. Let's not try to sugar coat it.
If there were a cheat sheet that had all the answers to all the possible ALEKS questions, I think I would use it here in the 11th hour with (now) less than 24 hours before the ALEKS gravy train dries up (maybe) forever.
But unfortunately for me, I'm not only terrible at math but also terrible at cheating, lol.
I just finished my 8th (and maybe last) Stats assessment at 37%.
I'm thinking I'm going to move on to algebra for the final push because I was assessing much higher on that before I read on here that the accreditation was already gone for good and cancelled my account.
Either way, I've been banging my head against the ALEKS wall just as hard (if not harder) as anyone else, but if a magical math fairy steps in and helps me take advantage of an opportunity that so many others have had ... before it goes away... I'm going to be ok with that.
And as soon as this crisis passes, I'm going to start working on FEMA before that magical proctor-free college credit gravy train dries up as well.
I don't care what anyone has to do to get ALEKS credit tonight, I'll still respect you in the morning. 
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cookderosa Wrote:If I enroll in a course that has a biochemistry prereq (I am in a course that has a biochem prereq) and I have no biochem background (I have no biochem background) then it's okay to cheat? What the heck kind of logic is that? Should I suggest that to my professor?
Listen, if you take ALEKS stats and it's too hard for you, you either have to spend more than 24 hours completing the class (duh) or do a bit more math until you are ready. This is really a no-brainer. I still don't understand why this thread is live!?
I know the point is now moot, but I wanted to add my two cents to the thread.
I do agree that the spreadsheet was an attempt to defeat the purpose of the course, but in defense of the OP, I would like to point out that modern day stats classes are usually taught using scientific calculators/excel sheets. It's not about knowing the ridulous formulas anymore, it's about knowing the concept of "why" and also knowing "what" to plug in. Now if this was college algebra we're talking about than it's a different story; as far as stats goes college professors know that no one is going to be doing statistics in their field by pulling out pen and paper to find least squares or find variance. They're going to plug the figures in excel and let the computer spit it out. I don't see any English professors telling their students not to use spell-check or MS Word.
So in summary, yes the spreadsheet was created to try and "game" ALEKs (which according to the OPs own adminttance didn't work). But in all honesty, if you went and did the course in college, you're going to be using excel anyway.
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Prloko Wrote:I know the point is now moot, but I wanted to add my two cents to the thread.
I do agree that the spreadsheet was an attempt to defeat the purpose of the course, but in defense of the OP, I would like to point out that modern day stats classes are usually taught using scientific calculators/excel sheets. It's not about knowing the ridulous formulas anymore, it's about knowing the concept of "why" and also knowing "what" to plug in. Now if this was college algebra we're talking about than it's a different story; as far as stats goes college professors know that no one is going to be doing statistics in their field by pulling out pen and paper to find least squares or find variance. They're going to plug the figures in excel and let the computer spit it out. I don't see any English professors telling their students not to use spell-check or MS Word.
So in summary, yes the spreadsheet was created to try and "game" ALEKs (which according to the OPs own adminttance didn't work). But in all honesty, if you went and did the course in college, you're going to be using excel anyway.
Since I tested out of Stats, I don't know how traditional undergrad stats courses are taught. However, having taken TWO Stats courses at the graduate level (Harvard and Canisius), I assure you, there were calculations. And no, we didn't use an Excel sheet, so not sure where that assumption comes from. We did stats long hand in both. In fact, we were required to show our hand-written work and scan it in at Harvard for our distance course- answers were not accepted without calculations... But, anyway, I'm not going to debate the nuances of cheating.
Providing a spread sheet that answers every ALEKS question is cheating, and allowing it on this forum lowers the integrity of this forum.
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One issue I had with ALEKS was their calculator. They ask for a lot of functions that only seem to appear on their calculator (I'm sure they're part of high-dollar TI ones though). The problem I had was sometimes you pretty much HAVE to use the ALEKS calculator and it would freeze up. I never could find a good online stats calculator to use alternatively when this happens. I think if someone can find one with all of the ALEKA functions, that could be useful.
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