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HELP to decide -Computer Science/Engineering/IT
#21
This is what I recommend you to do, take all the courses you can with alternative credits for now, skip the TECEP altogether.  When it's your time to take the courses at TESU, take two terms of flat-rate tuition as it would again be much cheaper than 1 year of tuition at an instate institution ($3,579 x 2 = $7,158).  Essentially, it's cheaper than someone out of state who has to pay 3 courses (cornerstone/2 capstones) and the waiver fee = total $7,863, and you get to have graded credits just in case you're going to a more selective graduate program.  

Further to that, it'll allow you to take more of the required courses for the Bachelors Computer Science degree, thus allowing the student to learn the subject matter more than just taking the quick way out with the alternative credits with Study.com - Moreover, you're getting two degrees for this price, you can't beat that with another state school in NJ.  What you should do now is to focus on required courses for the BSBA CIS and work on those, skip anything else that may deter you, do the CS degree after one degree is completed but graduate them both.

Last but not least, you should take 12 credits or 13 for the first term, and the two capstones along with a final course for the last term.  In total, two terms for that price can be dropped even lower if you qualify for financial aid...  You can apply for FinAid/Pell Grant and can pretty much get this at a debt free price, without needing to take out loans.  I'll link you to my BSBA JAN 2021, you should update it to reflect the changes on the catalog and then paste your updated corrections to a reply with a link or have a pdf attachment...  We can correct any mistakes if we discover them...

My JAN 2021 Double Degree Template, modify/update it for the TESU CIS & TESU CS degrees: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...FurS4/edit
TESU Gen Ed with below links: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ts_Roadmap
TESU CIS Plan on the wiki: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...egree_Plan
TESU CS Plan also on wiki: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ience_Plan
Study.com Offer https://bit.ly/3RTJ3I9
In Progress: UMPI BAS & MAOL | UoPeople BS Health Science
Graduate Certificate: ASU Global Management & Entrepreneurship

Completed: TESU ASNSM Biology, BSBA (ACBSP Accredited 2017)
Universidad Isabel I: ENEB MBA, Big Data & BI, Digital Marketing & E-Commerce
Certs: 6Sigma/Lean/Scrum, ITIL | Cisco/CompTIA/MTA | Coursera/Edx/Udacity

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#22
Thank you so much for all that information! I am going to have read through this thread several times to absorb all of this! Just wanted to clarify...we want to get the CS degree. Are you saying we might as well also get the BA/BS CIS degree? I'm assuming because it looks better on a job application? Opens more doors?
How many more classes is one taking to go ahead and get the second degree? Are you saying it makes sense because we probably have to pay for two terms anyway (with just the CS degree) - so might as well fill up the two terms and get another degree out of it? Thank you again for your time!
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#23
The BSBA CIS degree requires business core (42 credits) plus 1 or 2 extra CIS courses (Digital Marketing at SDC and/or CIS-309 at ASU). If you treat business core as electives for the Comp Sci degree, you only wind up taking 9 or 10 extra classes to get BOTH the BSBA CIS and the BA CS.

Multiple business core courses are at Sophia, but some are at SDC and/or Davar: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...re_Roadmap
In progress:
TESU - BA Computer Science; BSBA CIS; ASNSM Math & CS; ASBA

Completed:
Pierpont - AAS BOG
Sophia (so many), The Institutes (old), Study.com (5 courses)
ASU: Human Origins, Astronomy, Intro Health & Wellness, Western Civilization, Computer Appls & Info Technology, Intro Programming
Strayer: CIS175, CIS111, WRK100, MAT210
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#24
(01-15-2022, 08:46 PM)bjcheung77 Wrote: This is what I recommend you to do, take all the courses you can with alternative credits for now, skip the TECEP altogether.  When it's your time to take the courses at TESU, take two terms of flat-rate tuition as it would again be much cheaper than 1 year of tuition at an instate institution ($3,579 x 2 = $7,158).  Essentially, it's cheaper than someone out of state who has to pay 3 courses (cornerstone/2 capstones) and the waiver fee = total $7,863, and you get to have graded credits just in case you're going to a more selective graduate program.  

Further to that, it'll allow you to take more of the required courses for the Bachelors Computer Science degree, thus allowing the student to learn the subject matter more than just taking the quick way out with the alternative credits with Study.com - Moreover, you're getting two degrees for this price, you can't beat that with another state school in NJ.  What you should do now is to focus on required courses for the BSBA CIS and work on those, skip anything else that may deter you, do the CS degree after one degree is completed but graduate them both.

Last but not least, you should take 12 credits or 13 for the first term, and the two capstones along with a final course for the last term.  In total, two terms for that price can be dropped even lower if you qualify for financial aid...  You can apply for FinAid/Pell Grant and can pretty much get this at a debt free price, without needing to take out loans.  I'll link you to my BSBA JAN 2021, you should update it to reflect the changes on the catalog and then paste your updated corrections to a reply with a link or have a pdf attachment...  We can correct any mistakes if we discover them...

My JAN 2021 Double Degree Template, modify/update it for the TESU CIS & TESU CS degrees: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...FurS4/edit
TESU Gen Ed with below links: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ts_Roadmap
TESU CIS Plan on the wiki: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...egree_Plan
TESU CS Plan also on wiki: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ience_Plan

Would there be a reason to focus on the CIS degree before the CS degree, if the CS degree is what we are primarily wanting?
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#25
TESU is a bit wacky when it comes to the CS & CIS degrees. You are allowed to get both, but if you do that then it's easier (policy-wise) if you do the CIS degree "first" and then the CS degree. If you do CS first and then CIS, you may not be allowed to graduate with the CIS degree.
In progress:
TESU - BA Computer Science; BSBA CIS; ASNSM Math & CS; ASBA

Completed:
Pierpont - AAS BOG
Sophia (so many), The Institutes (old), Study.com (5 courses)
ASU: Human Origins, Astronomy, Intro Health & Wellness, Western Civilization, Computer Appls & Info Technology, Intro Programming
Strayer: CIS175, CIS111, WRK100, MAT210
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ACI Wrote:Thank you so much for all that information!  I am going to have read through this thread several times to absorb all of this!  Just wanted to clarify...we want to get the CS degree.  Are you saying we might as well also get the BA/BS CIS degree?  YES  I'm assuming because it looks better on a job application? YES  Opens more doors?  YES
How many more classes is one taking to go ahead and get the second degree?  Are you saying it makes sense because we probably have to pay for two terms anyway (with just the CS degree) - so might as well fill up the two terms and get another degree out of it? YES Thank you again for your time!

ACI Wrote:Would there be a reason to focus on the CIS degree before the CS degree, if the CS degree is what we are primarily wanting?

BA Comp Science degree is somewhat harder to complete in a short time as there are a few courses that are complex in nature (subject matter concepts).  Comp Sci/Math courses aren't the easiest, it will take at least a year to complete the degree, you're pretty much cramming 4 years into 1.  At his young age, since he hasn't decided fully, it maybe better if he keeps his doors open with a BSBA CIS as the first degree as that can be done much faster.  I would get him to take his time and focus on the 3 items I mentioned, Certs, Degree, Experience.

With the CIS, he will have enough credits for an Associates in Comp Sci, I highly recommend completing the ASNSM Math as he will need to take a few math courses and that will pretty much be completed anyways... this will properly prepare him for the BACS.  If you read a few signatures on this forum, you will notice a few members who have completed the BSBA and adding a BACS after (I am one of them).  For him, if he completes both at the same time and using the 16 credit residency requirement, he can get both degrees for the same price!

The ROI/Value of having two degrees is much better, he'll be qualified for many positions that require either a degree with a major or minor in Business, Comp Info Systems, Computer Science, and Math (think engineering).  Essentially, I think he should spend more time with Sophia.org/Study.com to get the basic knowledge and take some IT/CompTIA certs while he is at it... mix it all up slowly, and get it done accordingly, setup a schedule for him.
Study.com Offer https://bit.ly/3RTJ3I9
In Progress: UMPI BAS & MAOL | UoPeople BS Health Science
Graduate Certificate: ASU Global Management & Entrepreneurship

Completed: TESU ASNSM Biology, BSBA (ACBSP Accredited 2017)
Universidad Isabel I: ENEB MBA, Big Data & BI, Digital Marketing & E-Commerce
Certs: 6Sigma/Lean/Scrum, ITIL | Cisco/CompTIA/MTA | Coursera/Edx/Udacity

The Basic Approach | Plans | DegreeForum Community Supported Wiki
~Note~ Read/Review forum posts & Wiki Links to Sample Degree Plans
Degree Planning Advice | New To DegreeForum? How This Area Works

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#27
Here's another option.

If you get the BA in Computer Science at TESU, then you pick up the Associates in Business for free and with no extra courses required if you plan things right.

Another option is to get an MBA later on in life.

Sound like you're set on TESU however, the SNHU Computer Science plan is up on Wiki now:
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/SN...egree_Plan
Degrees: BA Computer Science, BS Business Administration with a concentration in CIS, AS Natural Science & Math, TESU. 4.0 GPA 2022.
Course Experience:  CLEP, Instantcert, Sophia.org, Study.com, Straighterline.com, Onlinedegree.org, Saylor.org, Csmlearn.com, and TEL Learning.
Certifications: W3Schools PHP, Google IT Support, Google Digital Marketing, Google Project Management
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#28
(01-16-2022, 01:16 PM)rachel83az Wrote: TESU is a bit wacky when it comes to the CS & CIS degrees. You are allowed to get both, but if you do that then it's easier (policy-wise) if you do the CIS degree "first" and then the CS degree. If you do CS first and then CIS, you may not be allowed to graduate with the CIS degree.

I'm trying to create a spreadsheet with our degree plan for BS/BA CIS (Note: we intend to get both a BS/BA CIS and BA CS).  Can you help me with a few things I don't understand.  

1. Is this link the most updated plan for the BS/BA CIS degree?  I found another one on the TESU website that was different than this.
Thomas Edison State University - BSBA in Computer Information Systems (smartcatalogiq.com)

2.  How do we know which classes are specifically required and which ones we can simply choose from a list of?  For example, this is listed in the above link:  

A. Intellectual and Practical Skills (15 Credits)

ENC-101 English Composition I
ENC-102 English Composition II
COM-209 Public Speaking
MAT-121 College Algebra
SOS-110 Critical Information Literacy
For all TESU course options that will satisfy this area of the degree, go to Intellectual and Practical Skills.

Do we need to take a Eng Comp I, Eng Comp II class etc.  Or can we just take ANY 15 credits from the Intellectual and Practical Skill list? 

3.  I'm trying to input the needed classes under the section Professional Business Requirements (42 credits), but I don't see course equivalencies anywhere on the wiki documents (I'm just finding the AOS for CIS and Gen Ed. Roadmap)

4.  Could you tell me the classes listed that we will specifically need to take at TESU because they are not offered anywhere else?  (Ex.  I see SOS-110 under Part A of Intellectual and Practical Skills.  I also read that that is a TESU cornerstone course.  So, is that a class that has to be taken at TESU?)

5.  Is there a link with the most common courses taken at study.com and sophia that match up with a CIS degree?  I'm trying to figure what group of classes to have my son take in a month period.  

6. Regarding Math.... Do we just need two math classes to satisfy the requirement for both degrees - Calculus 1 and Discrete Mathematics?  Can we also take easier math classes (ex. College Algebra) that would satisfy additional needed classes (Ex. in the Intellecual and Practical Skill section).  

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#29
(01-17-2022, 12:20 PM)ACI Wrote: 1. Is this link the most updated plan for the BS/BA CIS degree?  I found another one on the TESU website that was different than this.
Thomas Edison State University - BSBA in Computer Information Systems (smartcatalogiq.com)

Yes, that is the correct degree plan. The one at tesu.edu is good for getting a general overview, but the specific requirements are no longer accurate.

Quote:2.  How do we know which classes are specifically required and which ones we can simply choose from a list of?
See the wiki here: https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...ts_Roadmap The wiki will tell you which courses fill what requirements.

Quote:Do we need to take a Eng Comp I, Eng Comp II class etc.  Or can we just take ANY 15 credits from the Intellectual and Practical Skill list? 
Yes, you MUST have English Comp I/II, an Oral Communication (Presentation Skills in the Workplace from SDC is the absolute easiest way to meet this requirement), and a Math. SOS-110 is TESU's cornerstone course and you must take that one at TESU.

Quote:3.  I'm trying to input the needed classes under the section Professional Business Requirements (42 credits), but I don't see course equivalencies anywhere on the wiki documents (I'm just finding the AOS for CIS and Gen Ed. Roadmap)

https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/Sa...re_Roadmap - I just realized I forgot to update it, but what's there is correct. It'll be fully updated in a few minutes.

Quote:4.  Could you tell me the classes listed that we will specifically need to take at TESU because they are not offered anywhere else?  (Ex.  I see SOS-110 under Part A of Intellectual and Practical Skills.  I also read that that is a TESU cornerstone course.  So, is that a class that has to be taken at TESU?)

Only the cornerstone and capstone MUST be taken at TESU. Everything else can come from anywhere else. Your local CC may have an inexpensive Computer Architecture class that can be taken in-person and transferred to TESU. The wiki only has courses that we know about; there are thousands of colleges and universities in the US. Many don't have online courses (still). If you don't see an option on the wiki, explore local sources to see if you can find something cheaper/easier than TESU.

Quote:5.  Is there a link with the most common courses taken at study.com and sophia that match up with a CIS degree?  I'm trying to figure what group of classes to have my son take in a month period.  

Aside from the plans/roadmaps, no. Everyone is different as far as what they prefer to take and what credits they already have. Some people already have a science class and don't need to take that from Sophia. Others like science and will take everything Sophia has to offer. That's why we recommend making your own plan. Once you see what's needed, you'll know what to take from Sophia/SDC.

Quote:6. Regarding Math.... Do we just need two math classes to satisfy the requirement for both degrees - Calculus 1 and Discrete Mathematics?  Can we also take easier math classes (ex. College Algebra) that would satisfy additional needed classes (Ex. in the Intellecual and Practical Skill section).  

For Computer Science, you MUST have Calculus 1 and Discrete Math. You must also take Algebra for the gen eds. StraighterLine is highly recommended for Calculus 1 because you can know you passed the class before even taking the final exam, but you can choose any Calculus 1 class for this requirement.
In progress:
TESU - BA Computer Science; BSBA CIS; ASNSM Math & CS; ASBA

Completed:
Pierpont - AAS BOG
Sophia (so many), The Institutes (old), Study.com (5 courses)
ASU: Human Origins, Astronomy, Intro Health & Wellness, Western Civilization, Computer Appls & Info Technology, Intro Programming
Strayer: CIS175, CIS111, WRK100, MAT210
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(01-17-2022, 09:43 AM)LevelUP Wrote: Here's another option.

If you get the BA in Computer Science at TESU, then you pick up the Associates in Business for free and with no extra courses required if you plan things right.

Another option is to get an MBA later on in life.

Sound like you're set on TESU however, the SNHU Computer Science plan is up on Wiki now:
https://degreeforum.miraheze.org/wiki/SN...egree_Plan

So, if we were going to get a double major - BA/BS CIS and BA CS....would it be helpful to get an associates also?
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