My definition of conservative

[dc67]

If wealth were more evenly distributed.

I have been trying to stay out of this for a while, even though I started it, but I have to ask the question:

[SIZE="4"]WHICH PART OF THE CONSTITUTION IS THIS IN, I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT?[/SIZE]

Doug

[Gary]

That's one of them there gray areas. You know, like the Bible. Only grayer. Does that help you out? Glad to be of some assistance.

[Gary]

Doug, ...... This should explain it further?
Capt. Ross: Corporal Barnes, I hold here the Marine Corps Outline for Recruit Training. You're familiar with this book?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: You've read it?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: Good. Would you open it up to the chapter that deals with code reds, please?
Cpl. Barnes: Sir?
Capt. Ross: Just flip open to the page of the book that talks about code reds.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, sir code red is a term that we use, I mean, just down at Gitmo, I really don't think that...
Capt. Ross: Ah, we're in luck then. Standard Operating Procedures, Rifle Security Company, Guantanamo Bay Cuba. Now I assume we'll find the term code red and its definition in that book. Am I right?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir.
Capt. Ross: Coporal Barnes, I'm a Marine. Is there no book. No pamphlet or manual, no regulation or set of written orders or instructions that lets me know that, as a Marine, one of my duties is to perform code reds?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir. No book, sir.
Capt. Ross: No further questions.

Kaffee: Corporal would you open this book up to the part that says that where the mess hall is.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, Lt Kaffee, that's not in the book either, sir.
Kaffee: You mean to say the entire time you've been at Gitmo you've never had a meal?
Cpl. Barnes: No, sir. Three squares a day, sir.
Kaffee: Well, I don't understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it wasn't in this book?
Cpl. Barnes: I guess I just followed the crowd at chow time, sir.
Kaffee: Thanks. No more questions.
Sometimes Doug, we just know it. Everything will not be in black and white, it will be in a shades of gray easily digested if we use the noggin.
Remember ther Preamble???? We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. In order to form this perfect union and ensure domestic tranquility, we need to take care of all people, not just the wealthy.

Any further questions counselor?

[bmills072200]

Doug, ...... This should explain it further?
Capt. Ross: Corporal Barnes, I hold here the Marine Corps Outline for Recruit Training. You're familiar with this book?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: You've read it?
Cpl. Barnes: Yes, sir.
Capt. Ross: Good. Would you open it up to the chapter that deals with code reds, please?
Cpl. Barnes: Sir?
Capt. Ross: Just flip open to the page of the book that talks about code reds.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, sir code red is a term that we use, I mean, just down at Gitmo, I really don't think that...
Capt. Ross: Ah, we're in luck then. Standard Operating Procedures, Rifle Security Company, Guantanamo Bay Cuba. Now I assume we'll find the term code red and its definition in that book. Am I right?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir.
Capt. Ross: Coporal Barnes, I'm a Marine. Is there no book. No pamphlet or manual, no regulation or set of written orders or instructions that lets me know that, as a Marine, one of my duties is to perform code reds?
Cpl. Barnes: No sir. No book, sir.
Capt. Ross: No further questions.

Kaffee: Corporal would you open this book up to the part that says that where the mess hall is.
Cpl. Barnes: Well, Lt Kaffee, that's not in the book either, sir.
Kaffee: You mean to say the entire time you've been at Gitmo you've never had a meal?
Cpl. Barnes: No, sir. Three squares a day, sir.
Kaffee: Well, I don't understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it wasn't in this book?
Cpl. Barnes: I guess I just followed the crowd at chow time, sir.
Kaffee: Thanks. No more questions.
Sometimes Doug, we just know it. Everything will not be in black and white, it will be in a shades of gray easily digested if we use the noggin.
Remember ther Preamble???? We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. In order to form this perfect union and ensure domestic tranquility, we need to take care of all people, not just the wealthy.

Any further questions counselor?

Now Gary... That is a well-thought out argument. I disagree with the thesis, but I applaud the delivery...

A Few Good Men... Great Movie!

[Ruddigore]

If wealth were more evenly distributed, I believe many of the problems we face would not be as large.

Russia anyone? Communism/Socialism just leads to more problems. (See also: Venezuela.) I'm with dc67 on this one.

How would spreading the wealth even happen? How could it happen without compromising the very principles this country was founded on? (Liberty comes to mind.) :confused:

[Gary]

There's Vinny Ga-Ga, spreading joy again. You must hang from a vine and wait to pounce. Enuff about socialism. This wealth was not earned, it was stolen. Besides, if you had the wealth I'm talking about, you'd be on the links running around w/the other tree monkeys, not swinging from a vine. They won't even miss it, and if they do, I for one could care less. They don't care about you and like I said, if you were making $200,000 you'd be out enjoying yourself, wasting energy and valuable resources. On second thought, you'd probably be eating lots of bananas and chucking the peels at passerbys. Stop w/the crazy socialism talk, your overdosing on potassium. Now look what you did, now I'll be accused of being "attacking " again. Damn monkeys..By the way, where's your babboon friend???

[Farmerboy]

How was it stolen? You really need to stop throwing around accusations with out backing them up somehow.

[learflyer]

Gary, first of all we do have one thing in common. And that is the great little school up there called Siena.

[Ruddigore]

There's Vinny Ga-Ga, spreading joy again. You must hang from a vine and wait to pounce.

I must confess myself quite in the dark concerning this...unique...appellation. To what do you refer? I am not going to stay on this thread if your only purpose is to insult me.

Enuff about socialism. This wealth was not earned, it was stolen.

I echo Farmerboy here: How was it stolen? I mean, what criminal activity was engaged in? (Not counting receiving bailouts, raising prices, lowering wages, etc.)

They don't care about you and like I said, if you were making $200,000 you'd be out enjoying yourself, wasting energy and valuable resources.

I would like to think that I would not (good stewardship, you know), but rather pattern myself after the most noble rich people of old, such as Carnegie and Rockefeller, who both donated huge portions of their wealth to charity. -- Or are rich people inherently bad?

[Gary]

I must confess myself quite in the dark concerning this...unique...appellation. To what do you refer? I am not going to stay on this thread if your only purpose is to insult me.


I echo Farmerboy here: How was it stolen? I mean, what criminal activity was engaged in? (Not counting receiving bailouts, raising prices, lowering wages, etc.)


I would like to think that I would not (good stewardship, you know), but rather pattern myself after the most noble rich people of old, such as Carnegie and Rockefeller, who both donated huge portions of their wealth to charity. -- Or are rich people inherently bad?

I'm not explaining anymore how the wealth is bandied about but I will use this analogy and pay close attention. You have a bird feeder, a bird and a squirrel. You put seed in the feeder, the bird eats and seed falls to the ground. The squirrel eats and everybodys happy. But the squirrel gets greedy. He looks for leverage points to climb to the feeder to take all he can get his grubby little paws on. He even bypasses the plastic cover (regulation) around the bottom to fill his gourd even more. Eventually you have a spill, a mess and unfed birds. Study that for a moment. Now, When Nelson Rockefeller (We''ll use him) resigned as governor of New York in 1973, it was believed that no future chief executive could match his spending record. For fifteen years, he had done so well disbursing public funds that even politicians considered improvement impossible. The state's debts aggregated $11.8 billion, 20 per cent of all monies owed individually by the fifty states of the Union. He did good in a way, but we lose sight of the fact who's money he was spending and future debt. He didn't have the problems we face now (in case your getting prepped to throw an anti-Obama lick in). Philanthropy is great, once your dead, give it all away, they'll look at you as a legend, a hero. Do what Oprah does, give it away while your alive. She's rich and I'm not jealous, to me she a model person, but I would still tax her big as well. Social decisions like this seem hard for youse guys to comprehend, but it is in keeping w/domestic tranquility. The stealing issue, that's dead. You haven't been doing your homework. It's not even "read the small print", it's there right before you. The problem here to take a line from Cool Hand Luke is "What we got here, is failure to communicate." To take it one step further it's failure to listen. Your thought processes are if they are wealthy, they must have earned it. So we'll stop right there. No more specifics, no more examples, no more lessons. Review your homework if you really are interested. It's funny that on here we have so many conservatives where many of the people I talk with, the majority that put Obama and Pops in office, have ideas so contrasting to yours. They get it. We see home invasions as the next big thing. It's happening now. Maybe not in Idaho, but across America it is looming as a major problem. People going to work on nightshift worry about their families when they are gone. Your standard reply is, why blame the wealthy, what did they do, give me an example? My reply is are you that ignorant? If that's attacking, your darn right I am because I resent the fact that you fail to see a threat to the common families across the nation. The welfare of America is not well served with the salary separation between the classes. We see executives breaking up companies, sending jobs overseas and bringing in H1-B visas along w/others, in quite a few cases destroying a business that has been in existence for years. Then they walk away w/large bonuses, along with their many white (gosh, I know that ticks you off) counterparts. Many are left in unemployment lines while those that earned their money "fairly" sit in their protected environment, waiting for the day to leave their wealth with the kids or philanthopy. Gentlemen, they don't teach this in Fuqua Business School at Duke, except the making money part, the rest you learn through everyday living. We covered this before. Last item, don't think these protected communities will stay that way forever. You will have radical groups who are fed up w/the way things are headed and they will go into these communities and break the gates down. We saw in Iraq how the best trained troops in the world had their hands full with simple explosive devices, strategically placed. Now call me pessimistic, I think it is more realistic. I'm done w/this thread. My point is out, loud and clear. Learflyer, don't tell me you went to Siena? If you did, give me a couple of landpoints. What is located directly across the street from the school on the Route 9 side? If you went there, it sounds like they may need to update their curriculum!