National University of Health Sciences

[bjcheung77]

I was checking out some undergraduate Bachelors of Science in Biomedical Sciences and came across this program available at NUHS.  I think it's a good deal if you can get into their 50% prerequisite "butt-in-seat" prep-program available in Florida or Illinois... otherwise, I think the Logan University offering is cheaper and entirely online.

They have the following programs, see this Link: https://www.nuhs.edu/academics/

College of Professional Studies

    Doctor of Chiropractic
    Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine
    Master of Science in Acupuncture
    Master of Science in Oriental Medicine
    Residency Programs

College of Allied Health Sciences & Distance Education

Undergraduate Programs

    Bachelor of Science in Biomedical Science
    Prerequisite Program

Postprofessional & Residency Programs

    Master of Science in Advanced Clinical Practice
    Master of Science in Diagnostic Imaging

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

NUHS is one of the few accredited schools across North America that provides a pathway towards being a medically licensed Doctor of Naturopathy ND, or NMD). The programs cost just as much as regular medical schools and require 4 years in residence. At the current time, it only allows for licensure within 26 US jurisdictions (inclusive of D.C., Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands) as well as 6 Canadian provinces.

Licensure means that in some of those jurisdictions, the Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine can perform invasive medical procedures/minor surgeries, and also perform IV injections and can have prescriptive rights (although usually limited).  During the 4 years, there are clinical rounds at practices, and minor medical procedures are taught.

Most people who go to those programs more than likely wanted to go to medical school, perhaps.  A lot of graduates start to practice in a way that's not very naturopathic at all, and focus on things like injections, such as botox, and some go back to school to become a Nurse Practitioner or a physician's assistant so they can be medically licensed in all US states, be employed at a hospital, and simply be able to earn more money.

The income potential is below 6 figures for most people who graduate from an accredited Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine program, as they are not usually offered jobs at hospitals and have to run a private practice. They don't teach how to run a business in that school, so graduates are sometimes very frustrated because the student loan has ballooned up to hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they are taking home 70k gross a year. For this reason, some of the graduates of such programs have a bone to pick with the "Traditional Naturopaths", who are not medically licensed, but it's because the Traditional Naturopaths are not supposed to be medically licensed:

Outside of North America, the title Doctor of Naturopathy does not exist; instead, in many countries, Naturopathy is considered secondary care and practiced by non-medical professionals who call themselves naturopaths. Basically, laypersons who have studied the natural healing arts and sciences are simply educating people on how to help the body heal itself. Ironically, the practice of a layperson who studies the human body and the healing methods is called naturopathy in Europe, and in North America are called traditional naturopathy.  

The origins of Naturopathy in North America were from non medical Traditional Naturopathy, but a group that wanted to perform medical procedures revolted and split off, then became what it is today, which make up the CNME and affiliated associations that support the 6 Naturopathic Medical Schools, development and adminstration of the NPLEX licensing exam, as well as lobbying for licensure in the various states and in the process attempting to prevent non medical Traditional Naturopaths from being able to practice non medical traditional naturopathy in any state. 

Meanwhile, the original Traditional Naturopaths and their schools disappeared. There are a handful of distance learning Traditional Naturopathic schools, but none are accredited by a national or regional accrediting body and thus are not recognized by DoE/CHEA. They are usually recognized by professional associations. 

Some of the traditional naturopaths get unaccredited doctorate degrees in North America, and in the states and jurisdictions that do not regulate the titles, can still be called a doctor, but they make it very clear they are not medical doctors, so they do not diagnose or treat, or perform medical procedures.

No invasive medical procedures (such as injections and minor surgery) are performed in "Traditional" Naturopathy. Unfortunately, the non-medical traditional naturopathy programs in North America are not recognized by DoE or CHEA. But for those interested, such programs can be done via distance and are not very expensive, although they can take several years to complete part-time. As none of those individuals will be performing any medical procedures on another human being, speaking with a traditional naturopath, is to get ideas and insights into natural health. They can also help a person order lab tests and bloodwork, but are not administering nor prescribing it themselves.

[eLearner]

The cost of Chiropractic school and Naturopathic Medicine school is outrageous when you take into account what the starting salaries are in those fields. The tuition prices need to come way down, by at least 50%. There was a young lady on YouTube who discussed getting an ND and having spent well over $300,000!!!

For prices like that, you would be better off becoming a Doctor of Physical Therapy or a Medical Doctor. You'll still be helping people, you'll make more money, and your title will be far more respected which will open the door to a lot more opportunities.

[Maltus]

The cost of Chiropractic school and Naturopathic Medicine school is outrageous when you take into account what the starting salaries are in those fields. The tuition prices need to come way down, by at least 50%. There was a young lady on YouTube who discussed getting an ND and having spent well over $300,000!!!

For prices like that, you would be better off becoming a Doctor of Physical Therapy or a Medical Doctor. You'll still be helping people, you'll make more money, and your title will be far more respected which will open the door to a lot more opportunities.

Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

[eLearner]

Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

[Maltus]

Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

[Stonybeach]

I think you will get more return on your investment going the physical therapy route (DPT) and still maintain a "holistic" approach to treatment of the patient.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

DPT is pretty expensive too, but as I understand not nearly as expensive, and they earn a decent income.

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Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

I know that school,   I thought Manual Osteopathy was common in Europe? I guess it's not if that one school in Spain sticks out to you like so.  In the US, Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) goes to a full medical school and learns everything a Medical Doctor does, and can perform surgery.  I understand in Germany a Medical Doctor isn't taken quite seriously, unless they also hold a PhD

[Maltus]

DPT is pretty expensive too, but as I understand not nearly as expensive, and they earn a decent income.

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Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

I know that school,   I thought Manual Osteopathy was common in Europe? I guess it's not if that one school in Spain sticks out to you like so.  In the US, Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) goes to a full medical school and learns everything a Medical Doctor does, and can perform surgery.  I understand in Germany a Medical Doctor isn't taken quite seriously, unless they also hold a PhD

Indeed - Osteopathics isn't taken serious and the national Helthinsurancesystem in Germany won't pay since there is no scientific evidence of positive effects. We do have manual Therapy but you have to be licensed as a Physical Therapist. 
DO may work as “Heilpraktiker" – a state-licensed alternative health practitioner in Germany, providing complementary and holistic treatments outside conventional medicine. For that you need to proof that your therapie isn't a danger to your patient, that is all. No training required. So DO is on the same level as Aura-Healing, Reiki or TCM - and most people would consider it expensive Mumbo jambo.
And yes, the Dr. med. is considered the only professionel doctorate here and not equvalent to the PhD. :-)
But even "inside" the scientific doctors there is a "ranking. So a Dr. theol. would consider himself superior to a Dr. phil. in Theology.

Academics is strange...

BTT: Could you use a degree from a "holistic" college to get employed at a clinic or such in the States?

[eLearner]

BTT: Could you use a degree from a "holistic" college to get employed at a clinic or such in the States?

You could use a "holistic" college degree to get employed at a clinic here but there is some nuance to it. If you're not a licensed healthcare professional, you won't be doing any work with patient care with that kind of degree. Some Nurses and Doctors get degrees or certificates in integrative medicine/health because many healthcare companies offer it to patient now, and it pays more money on top of their licensed credentials. Of course, some people do it because they really believe in it.

A number of things in that realm are nonsense, but some things are actually pretty helpful. You just have to separate the good from the bad.