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DPT is pretty expensive too, but as I understand not nearly as expensive, and they earn a decent income.

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Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

I know that school,   I thought Manual Osteopathy was common in Europe? I guess it's not if that one school in Spain sticks out to you like so.  In the US, Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) goes to a full medical school and learns everything a Medical Doctor does, and can perform surgery.  I understand in Germany a Medical Doctor isn't taken quite seriously, unless they also hold a PhD

Indeed - Osteopathics isn't taken serious and the national Helthinsurancesystem in Germany won't pay since there is no scientific evidence of positive effects. We do have manual Therapy but you have to be licensed as a Physical Therapist. 
DO may work as “Heilpraktiker" – a state-licensed alternative health practitioner in Germany, providing complementary and holistic treatments outside conventional medicine. For that you need to proof that your therapie isn't a danger to your patient, that is all. No training required. So DO is on the same level as Aura-Healing, Reiki or TCM - and most people would consider it expensive Mambojambo.
And yes, the Dr. med. is considered the only professionel doctorate here and not equvalent to the PhD. :-)
But even "inside" the scientific doctors there is a "ranking. So a Dr. theol. would consider himself superior to a Dr. phil. in Theology.

Academics is strange...

BTT: Could you use a degree from a "holistic" college to get employed at a clinic or such in the States?

It depends on what you mean by a "holistic" college degree.  A Doctor of Naturopathy (ND) or Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (NMD), attends accredited medical schools that have a standardized curriculum and a standardized licensing exam. 3 states do not allow the practice, while 23 states + D.C., Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands have Licensing legislation in place.  

They very often work in wellness centers that have nutritionists, chiropractors, and Licensed acupuncturists. They tend to also have their own office space.  I think they share space with the others and work out some kind of profit-sharing agreement.  There are also those who graduate with a Master of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine and get national certification, but each state has its own Licensing procedures.  LAc is the acronym commonly used for Licensed Acupuncturist. Such acupuncturists can work in a hospital, but they generally have their own practice. 

There are also Registered Dieticians who can be licensed in all US States, and they usually work in hospitals.  To be a Registered Dietitian, they must attend specific bachelor degree programs and then very specific master degree programs.  

As for Holistic, that title is usually used by health coaches, or traditional naturopaths who are not medically licensed and those programs are not RA accredited nor DEAC in the United States, although Canada does have some that are recognized by the Canadian government as vocational training. 

As for the few accredited degrees in herbology and the few unaccredited degrees in herbology, since herbalists are not government-regulated, they can join the American Herbalist Guild, and practice in many states as long as they do not tell people what to do, instead, they can educate people on the historic application of herbs. Herbalists graduate from accredited programs in the UK and practice, but I don't believe it is a government-regulated activity. 

I am aware that in the UK and in France they do have a few schools that teach pure Naturopathy and award either Level 5-6 diplomas or a BA (hons) in Naturopathic Nutrition.  Even if the school is described as "Naturopathic Medicine" in the UK, there's no invasive medical procedures, and no medical licensing involved; it's all about helping a person heal with nutrition and herbs. 

Interestingly I understand that in the UK, a Medical Doctor (GP) has the equivalent of 2 bachelor's degrees, not a master's.  

A Holistic Health Practitioner in the US generally refers to a layperson who has studied via distance education, a doctorate or advanced level diploma in traditional healing that does not involve penetrating the body (no medical procedures such as injections, IVs, or surgery) and are students of pure Traditional Naturoapthy like their historic counterparts in Europe. 

Many of the Traditional Naturopaths get certified from professional associations (not government licensed)  and use titles that include Certified "Holistic Health" or "Natural Health Practitioner," especially in US States where the Licensed Naturopathic Doctors have lobbied to outlaw the use of the term Naturopath unless one has gone through the network of expensive schooling, in person, and have passed the NPLEX Exam. 

I hope that helps explain your question. I get that you don't really seem to like that kind of stuff and may view them as being 'hocus-pocus", but there's really a lot of evidence based science to how a body works, what nutrients (vitamins, minerals, essential fatty acids) help as well as the efficacy of 100s of natural compounds from food and plants/herbs that have been studied quite extensively.  

For instance, Annatto Tocotrienols were studied with funding from Denmark for cancer.  It's a very special form of Vitamin E, out of the 8 types.  A Medical doctor is not trained in nutrition and relies mostly on prescription drugs, and wouldn't know how to cure a headache, high blood pressure, diabetes, osteoporosis, or arthritis at their root cause. 

The truth is that modern conventional medicine does not have a cure for any condition; they simply try to treat and control the symptoms.  Meanwhile, natural healing practitioners have been able to heal just about everything. There are even documented cases of people who have reversed HIV naturally; anyone can look this up online. 

I think you may want to give non-conventional health care a chance, or at least be a little open to it.  Before 1925, much of the "alternative medicine" we have today was mainstream. The most brilliant medical doctors tend to break away from conventional medicine, and publish papers, start companies, write books, and start to help people by using natural methods. 

Let's name a few, Dr. Mark Hyman, MD, Dr. Zach Bush, MD, Dr. Paul Saladino, MD, Dr. Stephen Gundry, MD, Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD, Dr. Joel Furhman, MD, Doctor Steve Hickey, MD, Dr. Thomas E. Levy, MD, Dr. David Brownstein, MD, Dr. William Maxfield, MD, Dr. Paul G. Harch, MD, Dr. Robert Mendelshon, MD, Dr. Linus Pauling, MD (2 Nobel Prizes), Dr, Albert Szent-Gyorgy, MD (Nobel Prize), Dr. Otto Heinrich Warburg, MD (Nobel Prize), etc. Their work is supported by tens of thousands of studies conducted by both doctors and scientists.

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DPT is pretty expensive too, but as I understand not nearly as expensive, and they earn a decent income.

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Well I guess a Doctor of Hocus Pocus or a Dr. of Metaphysics, like some "churches" grant you for "donations", might have the same academic value ;-)
For real: Do they really accredit Pseudoscience studies? I mean you can do stuff like that on RA colleges?

In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

I know that school,   I thought Manual Osteopathy was common in Europe? I guess it's not if that one school in Spain sticks out to you like so.  In the US, Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) goes to a full medical school and learns everything a Medical Doctor does, and can perform surgery.  I understand in Germany a Medical Doctor isn't taken quite seriously, unless they also hold a PhD

Indeed - Osteopathics isn't taken serious and the national Helthinsurancesystem in Germany won't pay since there is no scientific evidence of positive effects. We do have manual Therapy but you have to be licensed as a Physical Therapist. 
DO may work as “Heilpraktiker" – a state-licensed alternative health practitioner in Germany, providing complementary and holistic treatments outside conventional medicine. For that you need to proof that your therapie isn't a danger to your patient, that is all. No training required. So DO is on the same level as Aura-Healing, Reiki or TCM - and most people would consider it expensive Mumbo jambo.
And yes, the Dr. med. is considered the only professionel doctorate here and not equvalent to the PhD. :-)
But even "inside" the scientific doctors there is a "ranking. So a Dr. theol. would consider himself superior to a Dr. phil. in Theology.

Academics is strange...

BTT: Could you use a degree from a "holistic" college to get employed at a clinic or such in the States?

Just to clarify, DO in the United States is totally different from being an osteopathic practitioner in any other country. The field evolved differently than in other countries, with U.S. osteopathic schools incorporating a full medical curriculum as early as the 1910s.

That didn't happen in other countries, where osteopathic practitioners do not receive a medical education and might be compared to chiropractors or craniosacral therapists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathi...ted_States

Canadian osteopathy, as an example of non-US osteopathy:
https://nationalacademyofosteopathy.com/...y-history/

A degree in naturopathy etc is not a medical degree in the U.S., and generally useless if you want to work in the medical system. The only common exception I can think of are chiropractors, who are sometimes treated like physical therapists. Some hospitals might also have acupuncturists or massage therapists on staff, but they are used for pain management, not for treating disease.

That said, anyone can open a business and call it a "clinic." So you can be a doctor of naturopathy and open a naturopathy clinic. You're not recognized as a medical practitioner by the state, though (again, in general -- the state where I live does allow doctors of naturopathy from certain programs to prescribe some classes drugs, for example; I think this is a terrible idea, and thankfully, it's an edge case).

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Please don't confuse "holistic degrees" or "holistic practitioners" with a holistic perspective to treating patients.

[PearsonOTHMQualifi7654]

DPT is pretty expensive too, but as I understand not nearly as expensive, and they earn a decent income.

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In the United States, about 18 RA schools offer Doctor of Chiropractic programs. About 7 RA schools offer Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine programs. All of them are crazy expensive.

Crazy - here in Germany we have one school, which is a "religious" college by the anthroposophic society, where you can studyesoteric stuff like "eurythmy". And we had a scandal when some medical school offered courses in "homeopathic medicine" - which is really just hocus pocus - and giving credits for that.

I know of one school where you can "study" ostheopathics in Spani, but it is a private school.

I know that school,   I thought Manual Osteopathy was common in Europe? I guess it's not if that one school in Spain sticks out to you like so.  In the US, Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) goes to a full medical school and learns everything a Medical Doctor does, and can perform surgery.  I understand in Germany a Medical Doctor isn't taken quite seriously, unless they also hold a PhD

Indeed - Osteopathics isn't taken serious and the national Helthinsurancesystem in Germany won't pay since there is no scientific evidence of positive effects. We do have manual Therapy but you have to be licensed as a Physical Therapist. 
DO may work as “Heilpraktiker" – a state-licensed alternative health practitioner in Germany, providing complementary and holistic treatments outside conventional medicine. For that you need to proof that your therapie isn't a danger to your patient, that is all. No training required. So DO is on the same level as Aura-Healing, Reiki or TCM - and most people would consider it expensive Mumbo jambo.
And yes, the Dr. med. is considered the only professionel doctorate here and not equvalent to the PhD. :-)
But even "inside" the scientific doctors there is a "ranking. So a Dr. theol. would consider himself superior to a Dr. phil. in Theology.

Academics is strange...

BTT: Could you use a degree from a "holistic" college to get employed at a clinic or such in the States?

Just to clarify, DO in the United States is totally different from being an osteopathic practitioner in any other country. The field evolved differently than in other countries, with U.S. osteopathic schools incorporating a full medical curriculum as early as the 1910s.

That didn't happen in other countries, where osteopathic practitioners do not receive a medical education and might be compared to chiropractors or craniosacral therapists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathi...ted_States

Canadian osteopathy, as an example of non-US osteopathy:
https://nationalacademyofosteopathy.com/...y-history/

A degree in naturopathy etc is not a medical degree in the U.S., and generally useless if you want to work in the medical system. The only common exception I can think of are chiropractors, who are sometimes treated like physical therapists. Some hospitals might also have acupuncturists or massage therapists on staff, but they are used for pain management, not for treating disease.

That said, anyone can open a business and call it a "clinic." So you can be a doctor of naturopathy and open a naturopathy clinic. You're not recognized as a medical practitioner by the state, though (again, in general -- the state where I live does allow doctors of naturopathy from certain programs to prescribe some classes drugs, for example; I think this is a terrible idea, and thankfully, it's an edge case).

Licensed NDs and NMDs are recognized as medical practitioners in 26 US Jurisdictions. In those 23 States, 2 U.S. territories, and in D.C., they do recognize NDs as medical practitoners. Not all jusrisdictions allow prescriptive rights; some states don't allow any prescriptions, such as Connecticut. Being Licensed means they can "diagnose and treat".  It sounds like minutiae, but it literally means a licensed person can tell another human being what "ailment" the patient is suffering from. Treat means to tell that person what they need to do. 

If living in a state that does not have any laws in place to recognize Naturopathic Doctors, the NDs generally have licensure in a different state but work in the unlicensed state.  In that case they can't diagnose and treat, they would have to "educate and inform".  In practice, it is nearly the same to the patient/client, but there is a big difference in legality. 

For Medical doctors, "Treat" refers to prescriptive rights, drugs, injections, and surgeries.  99% of all prescription drugs contain petrochemicals, and are a bad idea to begin with.  For example, statin drugs were introduced in 1987, yet heart disease rates have increased, as well as alzheimers. Statins disrupt the ability to produce and absorb CoQ10, and thus cause Sarcopenia (Muscle loss) and memory loss. The average run-of-the-mill medical doctor doesn't know that, however. Nor do they understand cholesterol and its role in the human body, and the 13 different subtypes of cholesterol. Cholesterol tests for LDL, HDL, and VLDL are based on a 1960 standard.  

Regardless, a true doctor of naturopathy would not use any chemicals/drugs, as it is fundamentally against the concept of naturopathy.  Unfortunately the Licensed Naturopathic Doctor curriculum, training, and schools are not true to the origins of Naturopathy as its founder, Dr. Benedict Lust started in 1901.  The current system of 6-7 schools is a far cry from the original movement. The Licensed NDs are semi-naturopaths and semi-medical professionals. 

A nurse practitioner or physician's assistant arguably has more prescriptive rights and recognition as medical professionals, as they can be licensed all throughout the US.  Not that prescriptions actually help heal the body. They do quite the opposite.